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Can you run JVM or CLR apps in the browser?

by progfix 2y ago

pjmlp 2y ago
Where is the browser in "Orca: WebAssembly Apps Without the Web."?
- meiraleal 2y ago
  Where is Orca in "Can you run JVM or CLR apps in the browser?" If you don't have an answer you can help us all not replying
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Nowhere, you apparently missed the point this isn't related to the Web, too eager to reply anything.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      The person was just curious about another thing, you apparently missed that you are in HN.
netghost 2y ago
Welcome to the future! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_applet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_applet
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago
  This is not Java applet. The browser can already run WASM code natively. This is the JVM but using WASM as bytecode, which is to say it is yet another WASM interpreter but this one provides a runtime with a canvas.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Basically a Apple II running UCSD Pascal.
camgunz 2y ago
Why would you need to if they run outside the browser?
- rictic 2y ago
  It is way easier to get someone to click a link than to get them to download and run your app.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Orca requires to download and run your app.
  - mcosta 2y ago
    Then what is Orca useful for?
    - szundi 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - pookha 2y ago
      Maybe replacing containers...I had a better developer experience and a better overall quality of life when I deployed war files into a servelet container (tomcat). I wasn't patching operating system vulnerabilities across a jagged sea of micro service images or patching vendor supplied images either (literally had to do that with Kafka). I deployed a fucking war file. That's it. And I'd also imagine that a WASM module\app would have a much snappier start time without having to lug around the overhead of a container...And "Alpine Linux" can go ahead and kiss my ass (no offense).
txdv 2y ago
Yes, there are multiple efforts which compile JVM bytecode and CIL bytecode to WASM.
useerup 2y ago
Microsoft has ported CLR (.NET Core) to Webassembly and it runs in the browser. You can indeed run CLR code in the browser. That is how Blazor works
- tracker1 2y ago
  It's pretty bloated and slow compared to alternatives. This may improve if WasmGC gets integrated instead of part of the payload, but it's still not a great solution, especially on constrained devices. The flip side, is running in server mode means the laggy round trip actions that feel somewhat painful in contrast, reminding me of ASP.Net WebForms and how painful that was in practice.

Can you run JVM or CLR apps in the browser?

pjmlp 2y ago

Where is the browser in "Orca: WebAssembly Apps Without the Web."?

meiraleal 2y ago
Where is Orca in "Can you run JVM or CLR apps in the browser?" If you don't have an answer you can help us all not replying
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Nowhere, you apparently missed the point this isn't related to the Web, too eager to reply anything.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    The person was just curious about another thing, you apparently missed that you are in HN.

netghost 2y ago

Welcome to the future! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_applet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_applet

RandomThoughts3 2y ago
This is not Java applet. The browser can already run WASM code natively. This is the JVM but using WASM as bytecode, which is to say it is yet another WASM interpreter but this one provides a runtime with a canvas.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Basically a Apple II running UCSD Pascal.

camgunz 2y ago

Why would you need to if they run outside the browser?

rictic 2y ago
It is way easier to get someone to click a link than to get them to download and run your app.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Orca requires to download and run your app.
- mcosta 2y ago
  Then what is Orca useful for?
  - szundi 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - pookha 2y ago
    Maybe replacing containers...I had a better developer experience and a better overall quality of life when I deployed war files into a servelet container (tomcat). I wasn't patching operating system vulnerabilities across a jagged sea of micro service images or patching vendor supplied images either (literally had to do that with Kafka). I deployed a fucking war file. That's it. And I'd also imagine that a WASM module\app would have a much snappier start time without having to lug around the overhead of a container...And "Alpine Linux" can go ahead and kiss my ass (no offense).

txdv 2y ago

Yes, there are multiple efforts which compile JVM bytecode and CIL bytecode to WASM.

useerup 2y ago

Microsoft has ported CLR (.NET Core) to Webassembly and it runs in the browser. You can indeed run CLR code in the browser. That is how Blazor works

tracker1 2y ago
It's pretty bloated and slow compared to alternatives. This may improve if WasmGC gets integrated instead of part of the payload, but it's still not a great solution, especially on constrained devices. The flip side, is running in server mode means the laggy round trip actions that feel somewhat painful in contrast, reminding me of ASP.Net WebForms and how painful that was in practice.