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Taiwan? While it is strategic (and strategic for both sides) Taiwan is an excuse. The problem that the US has with China is that it doesn't want it to acquire t

Taiwan? While it is strategic (and strategic for both sides) Taiwan is an excuse. The problem that the US has with China is that it doesn't want it to acquire technological supremacy or to become a superpower. It doesn't matter if China is good or bad, what matters is that the US controlled most of the world in the past 35 years (and half of it before that) and it doesn't want this situation to end. All the rest is details and pretexts.

qwytw 2y ago
> All the rest is details and pretexts. Not really. The details matter much more, in fact the overall policy in the US in recent years has been almost primarily shaped by the sum of those details. Look at EU/US vs Russia, overall nobody had any significant issues in maintaining peaceful and mutually beneficial economic ties with it until it started behaving in an ultra-imperialist and unpredictable manner. Also US has time on its side. Long-term there is no need to be over aggressive towards China, US is in a much better position demographically. > US controlled Well... define control. I don't see how is that true unless we use an extremely lose definition of the word.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  >until it started behaving in an ultra-imperialist and unpredictable manner. That's a good description of American actions in 2014 when they said 'fuck the EU'[0] and 'mid-wifed' the coup in Ukraine. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
  - qwytw 2y ago
    So you're saying that Russia has some inherent, indisputable & permanent claim over all theory territory of every single country that surrounds it? And attempt by the people living in those regions to do anything about that is an unprovoked and direct attack on Russia... (just like Germany in the 30s)
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      There is no connection between your comment and what I said

qwytw 2y ago

> All the rest is details and pretexts. Not really. The details matter much more, in fact the overall policy in the US in recent years has been almost primarily shaped by the sum of those details. Look at EU/US vs Russia, overall nobody had any significant issues in maintaining peaceful and mutually beneficial economic ties with it until it started behaving in an ultra-imperialist and unpredictable manner. Also US has time on its side. Long-term there is no need to be over aggressive towards China, US is in a much better position demographically. > US controlled Well... define control. I don't see how is that true unless we use an extremely lose definition of the word.

protomolecule 2y ago
>until it started behaving in an ultra-imperialist and unpredictable manner. That's a good description of American actions in 2014 when they said 'fuck the EU'[0] and 'mid-wifed' the coup in Ukraine. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
- qwytw 2y ago
  So you're saying that Russia has some inherent, indisputable & permanent claim over all theory territory of every single country that surrounds it? And attempt by the people living in those regions to do anything about that is an unprovoked and direct attack on Russia... (just like Germany in the 30s)
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    There is no connection between your comment and what I said