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Rus was settled by people who migrated from what is now Sweden.

by gumby 2y ago

havelhovel 2y ago
> people who migrated from what is now Sweden a.k.a. vikings
- mantas 2y ago
  Modern Sweden was only a part of origins of vikings. If it is known that those people are specifically Swedish vikings, then it makes sense to highlight that.
  - fmbb 2y ago
    It actually makes very little sense to “highlight” that in the context above. It would perhaps have been interesting to point out that that region of Sweden is called Roslagen today, and has been since those times.
    - mantas 2y ago
      If there are even more historical details known… The more precise it is, the better.
giraffe_lady 2y ago
The land was already settled by slavic and finnic tribes, whose experience of this is lost to us. The norse made their own settlements and assumed rule over the existing groups. Eventually the norse and finnic groups had more or less fully assimilated with each other and into the local slavic population forming the rus'.
dyauspitr 2y ago
If you go even further back, it was people from the Caucasus/modern day Ukraine that wiped out the male population of Europe and settled Europe. The same group of people that also branched off and settled in Iran and India. The speakers of PIE. Fast forward about 2000 years and the Scandinavians went back and assimilated with local tribes to form the Rus.
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > PIE Proto-Indo European if I am not mistaken.- PS. Now that would have sounded interesting I bet ...
  - Tagbert 2y ago
    Various linguists have done reconstructions of what PIE might have sounded like from projecting back through the descendent languages. There are several examples on YouTube. Obviously none of them are 100% accurate but they may capture some of the feel of the language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCI4Y8VneP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCI4Y8VneP0
  - euroderf 2y ago
    The next stop down the rabbit hole is Indo-Ugric.
    - Bluestein 2y ago
      Oh, grief. Thanks :) PS. "Earlier" or "more basic" than PIE I take it ...
      - euroderf 2y ago
        Sure. Try this video, and its Part 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZx8dU1clU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZx8dU1clU
LarsDu88 2y ago
Rus is what these people called themselves. They were folks lured to that part of the Mediterranean by promise of work in the Byzantine military as Varangian Guards. A subset of these Norsemen sailed up the Dniper to what is today Kiev and setup Kievan Rus. They ruled over and assimilated the the Slavic, Bulgar, and Turkic peoples of the area. In the Middle Ages, the Mongols came and destroyed Kiev, murdering just about everyone inside, leading to fragmentation into multiple polities like Moscow, the Novgorod Republic, and Vladimir. The Rus ethnonym lives on in the name of the Russians, Rusyns, Ruthenians, Belarussians, and others!
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- Bluestein 2y ago
  > the Mongols came and destroyed Kiev, murdering just about everyone I wonder to what degree - if any - these poor people served as a "buffer" against the Mongols, saving Europe from the slaughter ...
  - ivanhoe 2y ago
    > these poor people served as a "buffer" against the Mongols, saving Europe from the slaughter ... You mean saving Western Europe :) Mongols ran over (and did a lot of slaughter in) the most of Eastern and Central Europe, including Poland, Czechia, parts of todays Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia and Austria. There was no "buffer" that stopped them, they've stopped eventually because their Great Khan died. As the leadership broke down and fights for power arose, they've been forced to return back home.
    - Bluestein 2y ago
      > There was no "buffer" that stopped them, they've stopped eventually because their Great Khan died. Basically unstoppable, eh? So, basically, an "accident" of history they did not take over the Mediterranean ...

Rus was settled by people who migrated from what is now Sweden.

by gumby 2y ago

Rus was settled by people who migrated from what is now Sweden.

havelhovel 2y ago

> people who migrated from what is now Sweden a.k.a. vikings

mantas 2y ago
Modern Sweden was only a part of origins of vikings. If it is known that those people are specifically Swedish vikings, then it makes sense to highlight that.
- fmbb 2y ago
  It actually makes very little sense to “highlight” that in the context above. It would perhaps have been interesting to point out that that region of Sweden is called Roslagen today, and has been since those times.
  - mantas 2y ago
    If there are even more historical details known… The more precise it is, the better.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

The land was already settled by slavic and finnic tribes, whose experience of this is lost to us. The norse made their own settlements and assumed rule over the existing groups. Eventually the norse and finnic groups had more or less fully assimilated with each other and into the local slavic population forming the rus'.

dyauspitr 2y ago

If you go even further back, it was people from the Caucasus/modern day Ukraine that wiped out the male population of Europe and settled Europe. The same group of people that also branched off and settled in Iran and India. The speakers of PIE. Fast forward about 2000 years and the Scandinavians went back and assimilated with local tribes to form the Rus.

Bluestein 2y ago
> PIE Proto-Indo European if I am not mistaken.- PS. Now that would have sounded interesting I bet ...
- Tagbert 2y ago
  Various linguists have done reconstructions of what PIE might have sounded like from projecting back through the descendent languages. There are several examples on YouTube. Obviously none of them are 100% accurate but they may capture some of the feel of the language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCI4Y8VneP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCI4Y8VneP0
- euroderf 2y ago
  The next stop down the rabbit hole is Indo-Ugric.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    Oh, grief. Thanks :) PS. "Earlier" or "more basic" than PIE I take it ...
    - euroderf 2y ago
      Sure. Try this video, and its Part 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZx8dU1clU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZx8dU1clU

LarsDu88 2y ago

Rus is what these people called themselves. They were folks lured to that part of the Mediterranean by promise of work in the Byzantine military as Varangian Guards. A subset of these Norsemen sailed up the Dniper to what is today Kiev and setup Kievan Rus. They ruled over and assimilated the the Slavic, Bulgar, and Turkic peoples of the area. In the Middle Ages, the Mongols came and destroyed Kiev, murdering just about everyone inside, leading to fragmentation into multiple polities like Moscow, the Novgorod Republic, and Vladimir. The Rus ethnonym lives on in the name of the Russians, Rusyns, Ruthenians, Belarussians, and others!

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Bluestein 2y ago
> the Mongols came and destroyed Kiev, murdering just about everyone I wonder to what degree - if any - these poor people served as a "buffer" against the Mongols, saving Europe from the slaughter ...
- ivanhoe 2y ago
  > these poor people served as a "buffer" against the Mongols, saving Europe from the slaughter ... You mean saving Western Europe :) Mongols ran over (and did a lot of slaughter in) the most of Eastern and Central Europe, including Poland, Czechia, parts of todays Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia and Austria. There was no "buffer" that stopped them, they've stopped eventually because their Great Khan died. As the leadership broke down and fights for power arose, they've been forced to return back home.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    > There was no "buffer" that stopped them, they've stopped eventually because their Great Khan died. Basically unstoppable, eh? So, basically, an "accident" of history they did not take over the Mediterranean ...