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Head over to reddit to read horror stories about Ozempic recovery. "there doesn't appear to be many downsides" https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozemp

Head over to reddit to read horror stories about Ozempic recovery. "there doesn't appear to be many downsides" https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-linked-severe-medical-conditions-stomach-problems-study-rcna118823 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ozempic-wegovy-li...

Salgat 2y ago
I'm willing to bet that the rare side effects of Ozempic outweigh the common and deadly side effects of morbid obesity. If I had to pick between the two, I'll take my chances with being thin.
gruez 2y ago
Even your own article admits it's exceedingly rare. I think most people would classify penicillin as "there doesn't appear to be many downsides", even if there's a few % people deathly allergic to it.
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  There is a difference in being allergic and side effects though.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    In the specific mechanism of it, sure. But, what people actually care about are the bad effects and how likely they are to happen.
solardev 2y ago
It honestly doesn't seem that bad, at least from the news story? > "Still, [Mayo clinic gastroenterologist] Acosta was not overly swayed by the study’s findings, saying some of the side effects listed in it could be the result of patients’ rapid weight loss, not the medications. He said he would like to see a large randomized controlled clinical trial looking at people who received the medications or placebos." And another doctor said it wouldn't change her prescriptions. Sure, there may be some side effects, but shouldn't that be compared against the near certain death sentence of long term obesity?
- lazide 2y ago
  Considering how I’ve had people do really bizarre hate replies in the past when I note that obesity is a problem that takes decades off many people’s lives? Expect it to get weirdly sabotaged like ADHD meds have been. Seriously, Adderall shortages while meth is half the price and available all over town? WTF people.
  - solardev 2y ago
    I guess I'm lucky in that I don't use social media and live in a pretty active, healthy community where there's not much obesity. People here look like Patagonia models, lol. I've vaguely heard about the anti-fat-shaming movement but never quite understood it. Sure, you shouldn't insult someone for being overweight, but it's undeniably really terrible for their health and for society. I mean, I get it, I'm overweight myself and know it's not easy to change, but I'm working on it. I don't want to just sit back and accept it, I want to change it. And if a doctor criticized my lifestyle, I'd try to listen and do what I can. What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...?
    - Someone1234 2y ago
      > What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...? Yes. Therefore, why are these same anti-overweight people also anti-Ozempic? It isn't about what is healthiest, it is about moral judgements and feeling superior.
      - lazide 2y ago
        IMO, it’s also a variant of crabs-in-bucket. How dare they get healthier/fitter/etc. without putting in all the work I did!
        solardev 2y ago
        That's a good point; hadn't thought about that. It must look like "cheating" to the people who did it the hard way. I see the same sort of attitude from people who hate e-bikes: how dare they ride effortlessly up this hill that took me months of training and fitness to conquer!
AlexandrB 2y ago
> Pancreatitis, or inflammation of the pancreatitis, occurred at a rate of about 5 cases per 1,000 users of semaglutide and 8 cases per 1,000 users of liraglutide. The condition causes severe abdominal pain and, in some cases, requires hospitalization and surgery. > Gastroparesis was seen at a rate of about 10 cases per 1,000 semaglutide users and 7 cases per 1,000 liraglutide users. The condition, which can be difficult to treat, causes severe nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. Meanwhile, obesity increases your odds of getting any number of debilitating diseases[1] and reduces life expectancy by 5-20 years. I think for many people this is a no-brainer. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5401682/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5401682/
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
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  - voxl 2y ago
    imagine thinking will has anything to do with it, go get addicted to fentanyl and then stop cold turkey for us to demonstrate your incredible willpower
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - prepend 2y ago
    You don’t need to imagine it. 60% of the US is overweight or obese. People have weaknesses and want to compensate. Imagine calling out people below the poverty line for being “weak-willed” that they choose not to work harder or smarter. People can’t make the right choices for many reasons and that’s a weakness. That’s being human. The question is how to help with that as telling people “stop sucking” doesn’t seem to be a good intervention.
    - hnbad 2y ago
      Also, here's a thought: if 60% of people are "too weak-willed" maybe it's not a question of being weak-willed alone. That's more than half. In other words, if you pick a person at random, they're more likely to be "too weak-willed" than not. Fat acceptance is, to a point, mostly a distraction from underlying problems. But fat shaming isn't helping, never has helped and won't fix any of those problems.
consteval 2y ago
Keep in mind obesity is the biggest killer in the US. I think our problem was is we made obesity a moral issue, not a health one. Ultimately if there was a drug like this to stop narcotic abuse, we wouldn't be so critical. And that drug does exist, and I bet you didn't even know about it because it's so non-controversial.

Salgat 2y ago

I'm willing to bet that the rare side effects of Ozempic outweigh the common and deadly side effects of morbid obesity. If I had to pick between the two, I'll take my chances with being thin.

gruez 2y ago

Even your own article admits it's exceedingly rare. I think most people would classify penicillin as "there doesn't appear to be many downsides", even if there's a few % people deathly allergic to it.

BoredPositron 2y ago
There is a difference in being allergic and side effects though.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  In the specific mechanism of it, sure. But, what people actually care about are the bad effects and how likely they are to happen.

solardev 2y ago

It honestly doesn't seem that bad, at least from the news story? > "Still, [Mayo clinic gastroenterologist] Acosta was not overly swayed by the study’s findings, saying some of the side effects listed in it could be the result of patients’ rapid weight loss, not the medications. He said he would like to see a large randomized controlled clinical trial looking at people who received the medications or placebos." And another doctor said it wouldn't change her prescriptions. Sure, there may be some side effects, but shouldn't that be compared against the near certain death sentence of long term obesity?

lazide 2y ago
Considering how I’ve had people do really bizarre hate replies in the past when I note that obesity is a problem that takes decades off many people’s lives? Expect it to get weirdly sabotaged like ADHD meds have been. Seriously, Adderall shortages while meth is half the price and available all over town? WTF people.
- solardev 2y ago
  I guess I'm lucky in that I don't use social media and live in a pretty active, healthy community where there's not much obesity. People here look like Patagonia models, lol. I've vaguely heard about the anti-fat-shaming movement but never quite understood it. Sure, you shouldn't insult someone for being overweight, but it's undeniably really terrible for their health and for society. I mean, I get it, I'm overweight myself and know it's not easy to change, but I'm working on it. I don't want to just sit back and accept it, I want to change it. And if a doctor criticized my lifestyle, I'd try to listen and do what I can. What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...?
  - Someone1234 2y ago
    > What's wrong with that? Shouldn't society generally encourage its citizens to be healthier...? Yes. Therefore, why are these same anti-overweight people also anti-Ozempic? It isn't about what is healthiest, it is about moral judgements and feeling superior.
    - lazide 2y ago
      IMO, it’s also a variant of crabs-in-bucket. How dare they get healthier/fitter/etc. without putting in all the work I did!
      - solardev 2y ago
        That's a good point; hadn't thought about that. It must look like "cheating" to the people who did it the hard way. I see the same sort of attitude from people who hate e-bikes: how dare they ride effortlessly up this hill that took me months of training and fitness to conquer!

AlexandrB 2y ago

> Pancreatitis, or inflammation of the pancreatitis, occurred at a rate of about 5 cases per 1,000 users of semaglutide and 8 cases per 1,000 users of liraglutide. The condition causes severe abdominal pain and, in some cases, requires hospitalization and surgery. > Gastroparesis was seen at a rate of about 10 cases per 1,000 semaglutide users and 7 cases per 1,000 liraglutide users. The condition, which can be difficult to treat, causes severe nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. Meanwhile, obesity increases your odds of getting any number of debilitating diseases[1] and reduces life expectancy by 5-20 years. I think for many people this is a no-brainer. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5401682/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5401682/

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
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- voxl 2y ago
  imagine thinking will has anything to do with it, go get addicted to fentanyl and then stop cold turkey for us to demonstrate your incredible willpower
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- prepend 2y ago
  You don’t need to imagine it. 60% of the US is overweight or obese. People have weaknesses and want to compensate. Imagine calling out people below the poverty line for being “weak-willed” that they choose not to work harder or smarter. People can’t make the right choices for many reasons and that’s a weakness. That’s being human. The question is how to help with that as telling people “stop sucking” doesn’t seem to be a good intervention.
  - hnbad 2y ago
    Also, here's a thought: if 60% of people are "too weak-willed" maybe it's not a question of being weak-willed alone. That's more than half. In other words, if you pick a person at random, they're more likely to be "too weak-willed" than not. Fat acceptance is, to a point, mostly a distraction from underlying problems. But fat shaming isn't helping, never has helped and won't fix any of those problems.

consteval 2y ago

Keep in mind obesity is the biggest killer in the US. I think our problem was is we made obesity a moral issue, not a health one. Ultimately if there was a drug like this to stop narcotic abuse, we wouldn't be so critical. And that drug does exist, and I bet you didn't even know about it because it's so non-controversial.