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I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country. Exactly what

by ilaksh 2y ago

I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country. Exactly what you are supposed to do to stop it, I am not sure. But just complete acceptance or even enthusiasm for warfare is not a safe or necessarily sane response. I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

Doxin 2y ago
> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts. To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.
- protomolecule 2y ago
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  - mopsi 2y ago
    There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors and fled the country in face of jailtime. Ukraine's parliament unanimously voted to hold new elections, and the government that assembled as a result of the elections was recognized by everyone, even Russia.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      "There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors" That "protest" looked like insurrection [0], if anyone had to be put in jail, it's the organizers: "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [1] Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#Ashli_Babbitt_killed_by_police_while_attempting_to_breach_Speaker's_Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_march_and_initial_clashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector

by ilaksh 2y ago

Doxin 2y ago

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts. To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

protomolecule 2y ago
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- mopsi 2y ago
  There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors and fled the country in face of jailtime. Ukraine's parliament unanimously voted to hold new elections, and the government that assembled as a result of the elections was recognized by everyone, even Russia.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    "There was no coup in Ukraine. The sitting president killed over 100 protestors" That "protest" looked like insurrection [0], if anyone had to be put in jail, it's the organizers: "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [1] Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#Ashli_Babbitt_killed_by_police_while_attempting_to_breach_Speaker's_Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_march_and_initial_clashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector