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What were other reasons?

lifestyleguru 2y ago
3.5k EUR per meter for a flat in commie block perhaps? Cheap outsourcing jobs where you're old reaching a mere 40? Aggressive football hooligans?
- self_awareness 2y ago
  Not sure why this is greyed out, every point is true. There was even a situation a few weeks ago where a guy went to the office with an axe and attacked someone. The guy wasn't even a football hooligan I think. https://www.wprost.pl/kraj/11746912/krakow-wtargnal-z-siekiera-do-biurowca-zaatakowal-pracownika-nowe-informacje.html https://www.wprost.pl/kraj/11746912/krakow-wtargnal-z-siekie...
- ktosobcy 2y ago
  > 3.5k EUR per meter for a flat in commie block perhaps? Thank Koalicja Developerska and PiS for inflating property market... but meh "investors" > Cheap outsourcing jobs where you're old reaching a mere 40? 40 of what? > Aggressive football hooligans? When? Kraków is quite safe, especially compared to other places in Europe..
  - lifestyleguru 2y ago
    I don't care about your political shenanigans pis/po/twojastara/whatever. Oligarchs do in Poland whatever they want while poor Polish idiots only think about buying another 25 sqm apartment and a newer German car. 40 of potatoes, duh. The escapades of Wisła/Cracovia baboons are not normal. As long as anyone is randomly asked "which team do you support" the football is to be eliminated from the city.
    - ktosobcy 2y ago
      > The escapades of Wisła/Cracovia baboons are not normal. As long as anyone is randomly asked "which team do you support" the football is to be eliminated from the city. Are you stuck in the '90s? Ffs...
      - lifestyleguru 2y ago
        People in Kraków get cut with machetes and still hear "za kim jesteś" in 2024. Football baboons should fuck off from the city.
self_awareness 2y ago
Price per meter when buying a flat was #1. #2 was hostility to private car transport (neglection of road infrastructure, introduction of car-free zones will surely happen soon). Traffic jams are the default state of things, and it's a waste of life. #3 is that it's a tourist city; a good place to visit, pay money and go home. Not a good place for me to live every day (I've lived there for 15 years, and if you're a happy citizen then good for you). Most of the people here are not from Cracow itself. Warsaw suffers from the same problem.
- lifestyleguru 2y ago
  Polish society mentally is at the stage where car is the status symbol and part of their identity. Amplified by the fact that they're historically unable to construct their own car. Nobody is giving up their Mercedes/Volvo/BMW/Audi in a lease 1k EUR per month to walk around or drive bicycle around the city. Especially that employment regulations promote taking a lease for a car and having company's car is the ultimate benefit. Plus the obnoxious trend of huge SUVs and American-style pickups. People move out to the outskirts, buy more cars and bigger cars and then... they commute daily to the city.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    > People move out to the outskirts, buy more cars and bigger cars and then... they commute daily to the city. And then moan about traffic jams.
  - ptsneves 2y ago
    As a non pole living in Poland I think you are being unfair. The car mentality is not new, nor is it evil by itself. On the contrary it is supported by the reality that inner-cities are unbearably expensive and people need to live in the suburbs just like in the US. It is no irony that the same phenomenae has similar consequences. It is not people who are bad or stupid, on the contrary. In Wroclaw they added hundreds of KM of bike lanes....crisscrossing normal roads. I would like to take my children by bike to their kindergarten but I dont want me or them to die. So indeed i take my car, which i regret not being a damn fat SUV because i cannot damn stand being shaken out of my bones anymore. The roads are the German coblestone type and they are not crap because of the potholes. That is already a taken, no. The whole roads have severe long period troughs and hills that together with the pot holes make the experience a nightmare. Sprinkle that with tramlines, activated or not and I am currently considering moving out. The trams and buses work well but politicians and well meaning people often forget you need the car for things like the supermarket? I have a family of several so i cannot just take the tram or by bike for groceries. Oh my, i need a car. The sin, we are all "patola"[1] :). And this is not just in the city proper, the surroundings' roads are awful as well. I just damaged my rim and tire driving on a normal road 40Km/h while doing this gas guzzling hobby of taking my children to a local forest. I am a bit upset writing this because all these people in power in Europe dont have traditional families and exist in their own heaven on earth where they are independent in a very pure state. When i was 20 or if I would be a single I would get it, but with a family, please take your silly ideals elsewhere(this is for the mayor Jacek Sutryk who is unironically a bachelor). Portugal is a bit better in that the left leaning well-doers preach but people are too real to let things get ridiculous. The talking heads sometimes fantasize about bikes everywhere but then the cities are hilly and old so it is unfeasible to add bike lanes. [1] Patola is a derrogative name from pathological [family]. It is used to insinuate you come from a dysfunctional, often alcoholic family. Very common insult in Poland which I am fascinated about. I wonder if this insult exists in other Slavic countries.

3.5k EUR per meter for a flat in commie block perhaps? Cheap outsourcing jobs where you're old reaching a mere 40? Aggressive football hooligans?

self_awareness 2y ago
Not sure why this is greyed out, every point is true. There was even a situation a few weeks ago where a guy went to the office with an axe and attacked someone. The guy wasn't even a football hooligan I think. https://www.wprost.pl/kraj/11746912/krakow-wtargnal-z-siekiera-do-biurowca-zaatakowal-pracownika-nowe-informacje.html https://www.wprost.pl/kraj/11746912/krakow-wtargnal-z-siekie...
ktosobcy 2y ago
> 3.5k EUR per meter for a flat in commie block perhaps? Thank Koalicja Developerska and PiS for inflating property market... but meh "investors" > Cheap outsourcing jobs where you're old reaching a mere 40? 40 of what? > Aggressive football hooligans? When? Kraków is quite safe, especially compared to other places in Europe..
- lifestyleguru 2y ago
  I don't care about your political shenanigans pis/po/twojastara/whatever. Oligarchs do in Poland whatever they want while poor Polish idiots only think about buying another 25 sqm apartment and a newer German car. 40 of potatoes, duh. The escapades of Wisła/Cracovia baboons are not normal. As long as anyone is randomly asked "which team do you support" the football is to be eliminated from the city.
  - ktosobcy 2y ago
    > The escapades of Wisła/Cracovia baboons are not normal. As long as anyone is randomly asked "which team do you support" the football is to be eliminated from the city. Are you stuck in the '90s? Ffs...
    - lifestyleguru 2y ago
      People in Kraków get cut with machetes and still hear "za kim jesteś" in 2024. Football baboons should fuck off from the city.

self_awareness 2y ago

Price per meter when buying a flat was #1. #2 was hostility to private car transport (neglection of road infrastructure, introduction of car-free zones will surely happen soon). Traffic jams are the default state of things, and it's a waste of life. #3 is that it's a tourist city; a good place to visit, pay money and go home. Not a good place for me to live every day (I've lived there for 15 years, and if you're a happy citizen then good for you). Most of the people here are not from Cracow itself. Warsaw suffers from the same problem.

lifestyleguru 2y ago
Polish society mentally is at the stage where car is the status symbol and part of their identity. Amplified by the fact that they're historically unable to construct their own car. Nobody is giving up their Mercedes/Volvo/BMW/Audi in a lease 1k EUR per month to walk around or drive bicycle around the city. Especially that employment regulations promote taking a lease for a car and having company's car is the ultimate benefit. Plus the obnoxious trend of huge SUVs and American-style pickups. People move out to the outskirts, buy more cars and bigger cars and then... they commute daily to the city.
- kergonath 2y ago
  > People move out to the outskirts, buy more cars and bigger cars and then... they commute daily to the city. And then moan about traffic jams.
- ptsneves 2y ago
  As a non pole living in Poland I think you are being unfair. The car mentality is not new, nor is it evil by itself. On the contrary it is supported by the reality that inner-cities are unbearably expensive and people need to live in the suburbs just like in the US. It is no irony that the same phenomenae has similar consequences. It is not people who are bad or stupid, on the contrary. In Wroclaw they added hundreds of KM of bike lanes....crisscrossing normal roads. I would like to take my children by bike to their kindergarten but I dont want me or them to die. So indeed i take my car, which i regret not being a damn fat SUV because i cannot damn stand being shaken out of my bones anymore. The roads are the German coblestone type and they are not crap because of the potholes. That is already a taken, no. The whole roads have severe long period troughs and hills that together with the pot holes make the experience a nightmare. Sprinkle that with tramlines, activated or not and I am currently considering moving out. The trams and buses work well but politicians and well meaning people often forget you need the car for things like the supermarket? I have a family of several so i cannot just take the tram or by bike for groceries. Oh my, i need a car. The sin, we are all "patola"[1] :). And this is not just in the city proper, the surroundings' roads are awful as well. I just damaged my rim and tire driving on a normal road 40Km/h while doing this gas guzzling hobby of taking my children to a local forest. I am a bit upset writing this because all these people in power in Europe dont have traditional families and exist in their own heaven on earth where they are independent in a very pure state. When i was 20 or if I would be a single I would get it, but with a family, please take your silly ideals elsewhere(this is for the mayor Jacek Sutryk who is unironically a bachelor). Portugal is a bit better in that the left leaning well-doers preach but people are too real to let things get ridiculous. The talking heads sometimes fantasize about bikes everywhere but then the cities are hilly and old so it is unfeasible to add bike lanes. [1] Patola is a derrogative name from pathological [family]. It is used to insinuate you come from a dysfunctional, often alcoholic family. Very common insult in Poland which I am fascinated about. I wonder if this insult exists in other Slavic countries.