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> I agree that the easiest and safest way to deal with this is to just legalize all drugs. IMO that will have at least two desirable effects: you will know exac

> I agree that the easiest and safest way to deal with this is to just legalize all drugs. IMO that will have at least two desirable effects: you will know exactly what you are consuming instead of betting on a derivative, and the race after analogs will stop: people will just consume what is known to be safe and effective, as it happens with alcohol. Amen. I'll be happy once I can pick up, say, LSD, from a pharmacy, and know that it's dosed accurately and unadulterated. Right now one would kinda have to buy it from either some guy or some darknet vendor and the only way to know it's safe is to test it with reagents. Those who don't test it run the risk of dying or suffering permanent damage from overdosing on some adulterant or substitute. It would probably also help with the current opioid crisis where people are dying because their doses are adulterated with fentanyl. Just offer doses that don't have fentanyl in it! Let people buy it from a safe regulated source.

Scoundreller 2y ago
> and the only way to know it's safe is to test it with reagents The reagent tests will give you an idea of whether what you’re looking for is there (maybe), but generally won’t tell you much about what else might be in there too. If you have access to a reliable mail system, sending it away to a lab is your best test (but probably at a cost). And even then, they may not be able to detect or identify things not in their library.
- freeopinion 2y ago
  On top of that, you would have to test every single dose because there is no assurance of any consistency. In the end this is all super sketch and risky, even with a lot of education and state-of-the-art testing facilities.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  Ehrlich's reagent on its own can only tell you that LSD is present, but usually it's recommended to use multiple reagents to confirm that nothing else is present as well.
  - Scoundreller 2y ago
    And even then, there are other substances that can give you a false-positive on Ehrlich's
- brnaftr361 2y ago
  What's the legality like on this? I know there's a comprehensive testing lab in Spain, but I feel like shipping LSD across the US via the postal system alone is a multiple felony, not to mention overseas travel? Is there a legal exception to this or is it just done on faith?
  - Scoundreller 2y ago
    watch your DNA droppings/fingerprints and don't put down a return address. Dunno how illegal it is to submit something that you're actually not sure of the legality of until you get the results.
throwcusedrugs 2y ago
Is this really a risk with LSD though? LSD in particular seems to have a sub-culture of people that are out there making it for the good of humanity (in their eyes). At <$4/tab and being a drug you -- or at least I -- wouldn't want to take more than a few times per year, it doesn't seem to have the profit motive that your typical club drugs have. I guess you could accidentally get an NBOMe from a dealer that didn't know any better, but you're not going to overdose on it. I'd be more concerned with getting something nasty when buying MDMA or ketamine. But yeah ultimately I agree, I'd like to buy LSD at a pharmacy which I know is pure and 150ug per dose, full stop.
- temp0826 2y ago
  There is a pinned post on r/LSD of a chart showing advertised doses vs actual doses, it's a pretty crummy state of things in the wild.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  I get it for $1.90 per 100μg tab and take a couple tabs every single day at this point. I guess it's similar to how some people microdose every few days; I just use (a lot) more. > LSD in particular seems to have a sub-culture of people that are out there making it for the good of humanity (in their eyes). At <$4/tab and being a drug you -- or at least I -- wouldn't want to take more than a few times per year, it doesn't seem to have the profit motive that your typical club drugs have. I agree, and I've always tried my best to source it from a responsible dealer who cares about the quality of their product. I just wish I didn't have to do that; while I don't expect to ever receive NBOMe myself, there is a vast landscape out there and many people have died due to failing to source the correct substance. > I guess you could accidentally get an NBOMe from a dealer that didn't know any better, but you're not going to overdose on it. Um, if you receive NBOMe, it is not safe regardless of how low you think the dosage is. See: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25x-NBOMe#Overdose https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25x-NBOMe#Overdose > One study found that 25I‐NBOMe and 25C‐NBOMe blotter papers contained 'hotspots' with higher quantities of the drug, implying an inherent risk of overdosing. as well as the other content of that section.
mrguyorama 2y ago
>Amen. I'll be happy once I can pick up, say, LSD, from a pharmacy, and know that it's dosed accurately and unadulterated. You can go to a pharmacy right now and look through aisle upon aisle of "medications" that rarely have the ingredients they say in them, and that's not illegal as long as they note "not approved by the FDA to treat any disease" People act like legal products don't get adulterated
- LoganDark 2y ago
  That's not the same thing. Prescription medication is heavily regulated and required to have a certain amount of the active ingredient. Some prescription medication is also available OTC. What you're describing is not prescription medication, even though it is often found in pharmacies. If LSD were a prescription medication, either it would be available OTC or I would have a prescription for it; in both cases it wouldn't be subject to the same crap that you'd find on, say, Amazon.

Scoundreller 2y ago

> and the only way to know it's safe is to test it with reagents The reagent tests will give you an idea of whether what you’re looking for is there (maybe), but generally won’t tell you much about what else might be in there too. If you have access to a reliable mail system, sending it away to a lab is your best test (but probably at a cost). And even then, they may not be able to detect or identify things not in their library.

freeopinion 2y ago
On top of that, you would have to test every single dose because there is no assurance of any consistency. In the end this is all super sketch and risky, even with a lot of education and state-of-the-art testing facilities.
LoganDark 2y ago
Ehrlich's reagent on its own can only tell you that LSD is present, but usually it's recommended to use multiple reagents to confirm that nothing else is present as well.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  And even then, there are other substances that can give you a false-positive on Ehrlich's
brnaftr361 2y ago
What's the legality like on this? I know there's a comprehensive testing lab in Spain, but I feel like shipping LSD across the US via the postal system alone is a multiple felony, not to mention overseas travel? Is there a legal exception to this or is it just done on faith?
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  watch your DNA droppings/fingerprints and don't put down a return address. Dunno how illegal it is to submit something that you're actually not sure of the legality of until you get the results.

throwcusedrugs 2y ago

Is this really a risk with LSD though? LSD in particular seems to have a sub-culture of people that are out there making it for the good of humanity (in their eyes). At <$4/tab and being a drug you -- or at least I -- wouldn't want to take more than a few times per year, it doesn't seem to have the profit motive that your typical club drugs have. I guess you could accidentally get an NBOMe from a dealer that didn't know any better, but you're not going to overdose on it. I'd be more concerned with getting something nasty when buying MDMA or ketamine. But yeah ultimately I agree, I'd like to buy LSD at a pharmacy which I know is pure and 150ug per dose, full stop.

temp0826 2y ago
There is a pinned post on r/LSD of a chart showing advertised doses vs actual doses, it's a pretty crummy state of things in the wild.
LoganDark 2y ago
I get it for $1.90 per 100μg tab and take a couple tabs every single day at this point. I guess it's similar to how some people microdose every few days; I just use (a lot) more. > LSD in particular seems to have a sub-culture of people that are out there making it for the good of humanity (in their eyes). At <$4/tab and being a drug you -- or at least I -- wouldn't want to take more than a few times per year, it doesn't seem to have the profit motive that your typical club drugs have. I agree, and I've always tried my best to source it from a responsible dealer who cares about the quality of their product. I just wish I didn't have to do that; while I don't expect to ever receive NBOMe myself, there is a vast landscape out there and many people have died due to failing to source the correct substance. > I guess you could accidentally get an NBOMe from a dealer that didn't know any better, but you're not going to overdose on it. Um, if you receive NBOMe, it is not safe regardless of how low you think the dosage is. See: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25x-NBOMe#Overdose https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25x-NBOMe#Overdose > One study found that 25I‐NBOMe and 25C‐NBOMe blotter papers contained 'hotspots' with higher quantities of the drug, implying an inherent risk of overdosing. as well as the other content of that section.

mrguyorama 2y ago

>Amen. I'll be happy once I can pick up, say, LSD, from a pharmacy, and know that it's dosed accurately and unadulterated. You can go to a pharmacy right now and look through aisle upon aisle of "medications" that rarely have the ingredients they say in them, and that's not illegal as long as they note "not approved by the FDA to treat any disease" People act like legal products don't get adulterated

LoganDark 2y ago
That's not the same thing. Prescription medication is heavily regulated and required to have a certain amount of the active ingredient. Some prescription medication is also available OTC. What you're describing is not prescription medication, even though it is often found in pharmacies. If LSD were a prescription medication, either it would be available OTC or I would have a prescription for it; in both cases it wouldn't be subject to the same crap that you'd find on, say, Amazon.