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The difference between our system and theirs: in here, people are usually let go if they are shown not to be guilty.

paganel 2y ago
Not sure the Americans are in any position to preach when it comes to their incarceration and capital punishment policies.
- allemagne 2y ago
  In comparison to the People's Republic of China?
  - yardie 2y ago
    In comparison to the country that shoots you in the face for being the wrong skin color?
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      Those occur at about the statistics of airplane crashes. Huge disasters obviously, but it’s a function of our policy of everyone having a gun.
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    You can't really compare the two countries. The US has 4x (531/100k) the number of prisoners per capita that China (119/100k) has.
    - dmix 2y ago
      And crime in almost every category is 3-18x higher (+ 83x more assaults than China) https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/United-States/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/Unit... The only category china ranks higher in is corruption and bribery and oddly the number of judges and prosecutors employed.
      - Schiendelman 2y ago
        The definition of assault and the reporting rate are completely different. You can’t compare those numbers just looking them up on the Internet.
- simmerup 2y ago
  Atleast they don’t let corrupt prison officers harvest their prisoners organs
  - sauruk 2y ago
    Is this even a standard worth comparing ourselves to? That’s a bar so low that “at least we don’t …” doesn’t even make sense
  - braincat31415 2y ago
    Which makes it ok.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    There's literally a prison organ theft scandal ongoing in Alabama at the moment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/us/organs-removed-deceased-alabama-inmates/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/us/organs-removed-decease...
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    Yeah they do sadly :(
buran77 2y ago
This wasn't an "honest mistake" conviction. Trying to turn a complete embarrassment of a legal process, driven by a racially biased witch hunt into a moral win is like saying that "in here we rape you with lube and a condom". What's even better than correcting mistakes and feeling warm and fuzzy inside because you're better than some of the worst is to not make them in the first place, at least when they're as avoidable as this one.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Also, you better got some dollar to merit the lube. From his gofoundme last update: > America has a great legal system if only you can afford it
fooker 2y ago
As opposed to 'disappeared', for suspected espionage?
- deleted 2y ago
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wheels 2y ago
It's pretty revolting that you would turn this into a narrative of American exceptionalism.
perihelions 2y ago
That's not entirely true. You can be found factually innocent, and still be unable to escape prison—due to the utterly Kafkaesque nature of the legal system. Here's a case I read about over a decade ago, and never forgot: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-aug-21-la-me-innocent-20120821-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-aug-21-la-me-in... ("Man behind bars 2 years after judge orders release" (2012)) - "But two years after he was supposed to be released, Larsen remains behind bars while the California attorney general appeals the decision. The state’s main argument: He did not file his legal paperwork seeking release on time."
- tetromino_ 2y ago
  The next paragraph deserves to be quoted also: > California Atty. Gen.Kamala D. Harris, whose office maintains that evidence still points to Larsen’s guilt, accuses him and his attorneys of filing a petition seeking his release more than six years after he was legally required to do so. Prosecutors question whether the judges had the authority to hear Larsen’s petition for release.
- Schiendelman 2y ago
  But sometimes it turns out to be “we found a friendly judge much later who was willing to break the law for us”. We don’t know.
modo_mario 2y ago
If he hadn't had loads of money to fight this for ages he would have been rotting in jail right now. Perhaps the solitary confinement he was put in initially.

Not sure the Americans are in any position to preach when it comes to their incarceration and capital punishment policies.

allemagne 2y ago
In comparison to the People's Republic of China?
- yardie 2y ago
  In comparison to the country that shoots you in the face for being the wrong skin color?
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    Those occur at about the statistics of airplane crashes. Huge disasters obviously, but it’s a function of our policy of everyone having a gun.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  You can't really compare the two countries. The US has 4x (531/100k) the number of prisoners per capita that China (119/100k) has.
  - dmix 2y ago
    And crime in almost every category is 3-18x higher (+ 83x more assaults than China) https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/United-States/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/Unit... The only category china ranks higher in is corruption and bribery and oddly the number of judges and prosecutors employed.
    - Schiendelman 2y ago
      The definition of assault and the reporting rate are completely different. You can’t compare those numbers just looking them up on the Internet.
simmerup 2y ago
Atleast they don’t let corrupt prison officers harvest their prisoners organs
- sauruk 2y ago
  Is this even a standard worth comparing ourselves to? That’s a bar so low that “at least we don’t …” doesn’t even make sense
- braincat31415 2y ago
  Which makes it ok.
- janice1999 2y ago
  There's literally a prison organ theft scandal ongoing in Alabama at the moment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/us/organs-removed-deceased-alabama-inmates/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/us/organs-removed-decease...
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Yeah they do sadly :(

buran77 2y ago

This wasn't an "honest mistake" conviction. Trying to turn a complete embarrassment of a legal process, driven by a racially biased witch hunt into a moral win is like saying that "in here we rape you with lube and a condom". What's even better than correcting mistakes and feeling warm and fuzzy inside because you're better than some of the worst is to not make them in the first place, at least when they're as avoidable as this one.

aziaziazi 2y ago
Also, you better got some dollar to merit the lube. From his gofoundme last update: > America has a great legal system if only you can afford it

fooker 2y ago

As opposed to 'disappeared', for suspected espionage?

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wheels 2y ago

It's pretty revolting that you would turn this into a narrative of American exceptionalism.

perihelions 2y ago

That's not entirely true. You can be found factually innocent, and still be unable to escape prison—due to the utterly Kafkaesque nature of the legal system. Here's a case I read about over a decade ago, and never forgot: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-aug-21-la-me-innocent-20120821-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-aug-21-la-me-in... ("Man behind bars 2 years after judge orders release" (2012)) - "But two years after he was supposed to be released, Larsen remains behind bars while the California attorney general appeals the decision. The state’s main argument: He did not file his legal paperwork seeking release on time."

tetromino_ 2y ago
The next paragraph deserves to be quoted also: > California Atty. Gen.Kamala D. Harris, whose office maintains that evidence still points to Larsen’s guilt, accuses him and his attorneys of filing a petition seeking his release more than six years after he was legally required to do so. Prosecutors question whether the judges had the authority to hear Larsen’s petition for release.
Schiendelman 2y ago
But sometimes it turns out to be “we found a friendly judge much later who was willing to break the law for us”. We don’t know.

modo_mario 2y ago

If he hadn't had loads of money to fight this for ages he would have been rotting in jail right now. Perhaps the solitary confinement he was put in initially.