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It’s an article about how violence against women is increasing. How is violence against men relevant here? Do you consider the needs of women so little, that

It’s an article about how violence against women is increasing. How is violence against men relevant here? Do you consider the needs of women so little, that you consider discussion of issues involving them irrelevant unless in the context of how they compare to the issues of men?

mmh0000 2y ago
Society places a lot of care and concern about women, but when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." It's easy to see how a subset of men would be angry and sick of women getting all the social awareness while men are left to rot. I don't know what the answer is, and I don't even know if I have a good definition of the overall problem. However, there are clearly problems that aren't being addressed, and if left untouched, they will be no good for society.
- orwin 2y ago
  > when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." I thought that too, then asked for help once, and was rewarded for it: my belief was wrong. My psychologist then told me that before 'toxic masculinity' was used by 3rd wave feminists (the 'empowerment' movement), it was a psychologist term used for men who refused help because of this 'i'll be told to suck it up' belief, term created in the wake of the Vietnam War and PTSD. Our masculinity become toxic once it makes us believe we aren't allowed to fail, cry or ask for help. Basically. He explained it way better, sorry.
- mikhael28 2y ago
  When is the last time you tried asking anyone for help, about anything, and was told 'suck it up'?
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xigoi 2y ago
The point is that the article is pointlessly gendered. Why focus specifically on violence against women?
- mikhael28 2y ago
  JavaScript is a terrible programming language. Wait, talking about how JavaScript is a terrible programming language is pointlessly biased - we need to also talk about how Python is a terrible programming language. Everyone always seems to complain about JavaScript, but no one ever talks about how terrible pip is as a system for managing dependencies, or how the 2.x to 3.x migration was terrible implemented. I think discussing how terrible JavaScript is pointlessly biased. Why focus specifically on JavaScript? Bad logic right there. You can have a conversation about one topic, by itself - you don't need to bring in adjacent, yet not entirely relevant, topics in order to justify the first one.
  - xigoi 2y ago
    That’s a really contrived analogy. More like: “Blue-eyed people being unable to afford housing is a national emergency.” “Why focus specifically on blue-eyed people? Other people are also affected by the housing crisis.” “Don’t distract from the topic!”
    - mikhael28 2y ago
      Eye color is a trivial phenotypical variation that has nothing to do with anything. Like programming languages. A woman’s biology, by nature of being physically weaker, is a relevant distinction in the context of violence, where physical strength is relevant. I suppose if someone says ‘In America, the average black family has 25% of the wealth of a white family’ faulty logic might say ‘why leave out the fact that the average white family has 50% of the wealth of an Asian family?’ So, what - the plight of the average white family is the same as the average black family? No, it’s not - so it’s reasonable to discuss that plight in a separate context.

mmh0000 2y ago

Society places a lot of care and concern about women, but when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." It's easy to see how a subset of men would be angry and sick of women getting all the social awareness while men are left to rot. I don't know what the answer is, and I don't even know if I have a good definition of the overall problem. However, there are clearly problems that aren't being addressed, and if left untouched, they will be no good for society.

orwin 2y ago
> when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." I thought that too, then asked for help once, and was rewarded for it: my belief was wrong. My psychologist then told me that before 'toxic masculinity' was used by 3rd wave feminists (the 'empowerment' movement), it was a psychologist term used for men who refused help because of this 'i'll be told to suck it up' belief, term created in the wake of the Vietnam War and PTSD. Our masculinity become toxic once it makes us believe we aren't allowed to fail, cry or ask for help. Basically. He explained it way better, sorry.
mikhael28 2y ago
When is the last time you tried asking anyone for help, about anything, and was told 'suck it up'?

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xigoi 2y ago

The point is that the article is pointlessly gendered. Why focus specifically on violence against women?

mikhael28 2y ago
JavaScript is a terrible programming language. Wait, talking about how JavaScript is a terrible programming language is pointlessly biased - we need to also talk about how Python is a terrible programming language. Everyone always seems to complain about JavaScript, but no one ever talks about how terrible pip is as a system for managing dependencies, or how the 2.x to 3.x migration was terrible implemented. I think discussing how terrible JavaScript is pointlessly biased. Why focus specifically on JavaScript? Bad logic right there. You can have a conversation about one topic, by itself - you don't need to bring in adjacent, yet not entirely relevant, topics in order to justify the first one.
- xigoi 2y ago
  That’s a really contrived analogy. More like: “Blue-eyed people being unable to afford housing is a national emergency.” “Why focus specifically on blue-eyed people? Other people are also affected by the housing crisis.” “Don’t distract from the topic!”
  - mikhael28 2y ago
    Eye color is a trivial phenotypical variation that has nothing to do with anything. Like programming languages. A woman’s biology, by nature of being physically weaker, is a relevant distinction in the context of violence, where physical strength is relevant. I suppose if someone says ‘In America, the average black family has 25% of the wealth of a white family’ faulty logic might say ‘why leave out the fact that the average white family has 50% of the wealth of an Asian family?’ So, what - the plight of the average white family is the same as the average black family? No, it’s not - so it’s reasonable to discuss that plight in a separate context.