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The solution to a housing crisis is to limit immigration? Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing (thereby spurring economic activity and lowering a primary

The solution to a housing crisis is to limit immigration? Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing (thereby spurring economic activity and lowering a primary expense of households)???

renewiltord 2y ago
Amusingly, this is one of those cases where it’s obviously correct and people jump through all sorts of hoops to not accept it.
shiroiushi 2y ago
>Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing No, because the NIMBYs don't want that, and if the local government has power over whether dense housing is built or not, the NIMBYs will be sure to get their local legislators to prevent it.
elzbardico 2y ago
Sorry for interrupting your religious moment. But in the real world you need capital for that. There’s absolutely no fucking reason to consider immigration a human right.
- mejutoco 2y ago
  The human rights declaration https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... There are reasons, although one might disagree with them.
  - nvy 2y ago
    Article 13 absolutely does not imply that unrestricted immigration is a human right. To do so would be to stomp on national sovereignty. Article 13 concerns freedom of movement within one's own country, and the right of return thereto.
    - mejutoco 2y ago
      > There’s absolutely no fucking reason to consider immigration a human right. Many articles in that document provide hints/the spirit of reasons one _might_ consider immigration a human right. I think it is easy to entertain the idea and think of potential reasons for it. A different matter is if that is indeed the case (your point). Still, I believe there are good reasons for it: the human rights declaration points at many of them, in many different articles. For example, here is one reason (even for self-interested people, Milton Friedman-style): equality of opportunity might give an opportunity to somebody who is more capable (who knows who is the next Einstein). It will? not necessarily. But it might? definitely, it might. That is one reason. I a not naive in regards to implementation. But there are reasons (like the above) for considering it.
nvy 2y ago
Here in Canada we literally cannot build housing fast enough. The government is targeting half a million immigrants annually, and we recently set an all-time housing starts record of only about half that number. Sometimes it actually is immigration that is causing problems.
- trog 2y ago
  Same in Australia. The government keeps making big noise about these 'big' housing plans and then the number is like 30,000 new houses, which is enough for a couple months. There is zero systemic approach to this problem. I feel like I am going insane.

The solution to a housing crisis is to limit immigration? Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing (thereby spurring economic activity and lowering a primary expense of households)???

renewiltord 2y ago

Amusingly, this is one of those cases where it’s obviously correct and people jump through all sorts of hoops to not accept it.

shiroiushi 2y ago

>Wouldn’t it be to build more dense housing No, because the NIMBYs don't want that, and if the local government has power over whether dense housing is built or not, the NIMBYs will be sure to get their local legislators to prevent it.

elzbardico 2y ago

Sorry for interrupting your religious moment. But in the real world you need capital for that. There’s absolutely no fucking reason to consider immigration a human right.

mejutoco 2y ago
The human rights declaration https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... There are reasons, although one might disagree with them.
- nvy 2y ago
  Article 13 absolutely does not imply that unrestricted immigration is a human right. To do so would be to stomp on national sovereignty. Article 13 concerns freedom of movement within one's own country, and the right of return thereto.
  - mejutoco 2y ago
    > There’s absolutely no fucking reason to consider immigration a human right. Many articles in that document provide hints/the spirit of reasons one _might_ consider immigration a human right. I think it is easy to entertain the idea and think of potential reasons for it. A different matter is if that is indeed the case (your point). Still, I believe there are good reasons for it: the human rights declaration points at many of them, in many different articles. For example, here is one reason (even for self-interested people, Milton Friedman-style): equality of opportunity might give an opportunity to somebody who is more capable (who knows who is the next Einstein). It will? not necessarily. But it might? definitely, it might. That is one reason. I a not naive in regards to implementation. But there are reasons (like the above) for considering it.

nvy 2y ago

Here in Canada we literally cannot build housing fast enough. The government is targeting half a million immigrants annually, and we recently set an all-time housing starts record of only about half that number. Sometimes it actually is immigration that is causing problems.

trog 2y ago
Same in Australia. The government keeps making big noise about these 'big' housing plans and then the number is like 30,000 new houses, which is enough for a couple months. There is zero systemic approach to this problem. I feel like I am going insane.