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It's a shame because Apple TV is producing some wonderful sci-fi right now, arguably they're about the only ones doing it to this level. And I'm sure it'll be f
by afavour 2y ago
It's a shame because Apple TV is producing some wonderful sci-fi right now, arguably they're about the only ones doing it to this level. And I'm sure it'll be first on the chopping block while the inflated budgets for the star-studded Morning Show are more likely to be maintained.
I hope I'm wrong and that Apple sees value in producing wonderful, niche TV. But at the same time that's not really Apple's ethos.
- e40 2y agoDark Matter was really good. I hope there's a season 2.
- whalesalad 2y agoSeverance was outstanding. Next season coming 2025, fingers crossed.
- nerdjon 2y agoIt does feel like Apple TV has gained a reputation for science fiction (and just generally nerdy things), there are multiple articles out there on it. Putting out the type of content we used to expect from HBO. So my hope would be they would realize that, lean into it, and cut their other experiments or just not do movies as much. I know for me anytime I see a new science fiction show on Apple TV I feel like it is at least worth checking out the first couple episodes, and I have not been upset yet.
- josteink 2y ago[flagged]
- dewey 2y agoI've watched many Apple TV+ shows and this never occurred to me. Confirmation bias on your end?
- josteink 2y ago[flagged]
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y agoThe problem is that the leads are not consistently white enough?
- josteink 2y agoSystematically reversing gender stereotypes to the point of being aggressively regressive is not progressive. And to many of the current shows being produced, this seems to be more important than actually telling a good story. And like I said, that is my main issue with these productions.
- refulgentis 2y agoYou're flat out wrong, obviously wrong, and trolling via doing a parody of free speech advocates. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962 EDIT: For noworriesnate: Would politely suggest you re-read: this thread wasn't a generic complaint about Apple TV+, or TV, or Woke, or the MSM, or the Liberals, or the Left, or Commies, or ideological programming, or anything else. He made a very specific claim and challenge, which I thoroughly responded to, in the link provided. Here it is again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962. If you'd like to make a more specific claim, I have a feeling you're not mocking free speech advocates like them and will support you against the woke mob
- noworriesnate 2y agoNot really...a lot of people I know would have the same complaint. I think it shows the disconnect between you and OP, not that he's trolling.
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- cdcarter 2y agoWhat?
- jsheard 2y agoWhat specifically would you describe as "peak woke" if you saw it in a show? Forgive me, but when you write so many words without giving any actual examples it is easy to assume that you know your position is unpopular and are glossing over the details on purpose.
- upon_drumhead 2y agoIt's just a troll, they specifically call out the shows containing peak woke and then said they don't subscribe to even have seen the content.
- josteink 2y agoNot a troll. Honest opinion. Am I not allowed to have one of my own? Specifically in this context/discussion I’d like to single out Foundation and Silo.
- refulgentis 2y ago150% a troll, likely a parody of Woke Right by a Woke Left. - Claims that are obviously wrong - Brief survey of Apple TV shows this is 100% false (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037962) - repeated invocations of 'my feminist wife said its okay' (indicating Woke imprinting showing itself in a false flag) - slowly hopping around subthreads, only moving on from one after generating 2+ more replies. took 30 minutes and 4 replies to name a specific show
- thebruce87m 2y agoSilo? The first season covers only the first half of the book. The book came out over 10 years ago and the show mainly follows the plot. Was the book peak woke? Is it just the female lead character? Foundation is only loosely based on the books but I can’t see anything people could attribute to being “woke”, aside from having some female lead characters. Maybe you just don’t like female lead characters in stories?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
- viciousvoxel 2y agoI'm not sure I follow. What's "the message"? Could you provide some specific examples?
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- galbar 2y agoI believe they are referring to what The Critical Drinker (a youtuber that does movie and TV shows critics) calls "The Message". He explains it here: https://youtu.be/F2ngB-zjVmM?feature=shared&t=105 https://youtu.be/F2ngB-zjVmM?feature=shared&t=105 (starting at 1:45, he defines it for 1 minute and 20 seconds)
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoRather than it being about "the message" it seems to me more that big blockbusters are being funded/produced by people who have learned marketing better than film production. They're consistently rewarded for their marketing efforts and don't want to rock the profit boat by changing the formula.
- galbar 2y agoThere is definitely an argument to be made about the lack of script writing quality in the last few years. I used to go to the cinema almost weekly, but since a few years ago it doesn't seem worth it: The stories being told are shiny but flat. Now I just watch the "good ol' movies" at home...
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- afavour 2y agoIs this what things would have been like if we had internet message boards when Kirk kissed Uhuru, I wonder? I'm sorry that the specter of "woke" is ruining your viewing experience but I absolutely can't relate.
- scarface_74 2y agoOr Star Trek:TNG “The Outcast” (about a non binary character) or Star Trek:DS9 “Rejoined” (two women kissing) , Star Trek “Let this be your last battlefield” (the silliness of racism)… Or honestly the entire history of X-men being a thinly veiled allegory of racism. I can’t help be reminded about the outrage of having a black woman play the role of a comic book character that was an orange alien from Tamaran
- refulgentis 2y agoIMHO this is parody / troll, ex. note the timid invocation of "my wife's opinion so its okay to say", that's from the mind of a Woke
- lern_too_spel 2y agoMany people thought Trump supporters were trolling, but here we are. The invocation trope is standard for social regressives, to the point where Colbert parodied it. https://64.media.tumblr.com/d01f4eae84afbffb01ea43a9c6995b2d/tumblr_onam0xJlsq1tex7e8o2_400.png https://64.media.tumblr.com/d01f4eae84afbffb01ea43a9c6995b2d... I see his argument often, but it's always about how the art makes them feel instead of a Bechdel test for wokeness that we can apply objectively.
- jahnu 2y agoAs long as we get season 3 of Foundation and they don’t leave us hanging I’ll be happy
- duxup 2y agoI'm endlessly amused about how the most compelling aspects of Foundation are those disconnected from the source material. It's not how things go usually, but they made some great content.
- pests 2y agoI would hope so, they just wrapped up filming yesterday. It's a reddit link but some details in the comments and the original source did seem a bit tabloidy. https://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/s/SP85IxZmiy https://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/s/SP85IxZmiy
- tsunamifury 2y agoReally last I check filming had stopped and crew had been sent home over budget crisis.
- josteink 2y agoTo be fair Asimov himself kept us hanging with the books and only completed the series (making it worse imo), just because the commercial publishers wanted the money. Sometimes less is more.
- eadmund 2y agoTo be fair, Asimov’s Foundation and Apple’s Foundation are almost completely unrelated.
- dbspin 2y agoIndeed. One is an all time great science fiction series thats inspired a host of imitators. The other is whatever fluff Apple have bowdlerised its name with. It's genuinely closer to the YA fanfic level screenwriting of the new Star Trek series than Gibbon's Decline & Fall in space.