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> vegan leather I've always found this branding a bit weird, but I'm weird, as well, so there's that... I sincerely wish them luck. I don't know that much ab

> vegan leather I've always found this branding a bit weird, but I'm weird, as well, so there's that... I sincerely wish them luck. I don't know that much about hydrogen fuel cells, but they seem to be promising. Not exactly sure why they don't get much more love. Maybe there are issues with hydrogen production, so it's not really all that "clean."

JojoFatsani 2y ago
It just means “vinyl” but it sounds more upscale than it is
jofer 2y ago
There are lots of different types of hydrogen production, but many of them are "clean" (or at least as clean as solar, anyway). The main issue with hydrogen is storage and transport. It's not an unsolvable problem, by any means, but it's significantly more difficult to safely store and transport than liquid hydrocarbons, at any rate. Hydrogen requires significant investments in infrastructure around it which mostly haven't been made yet.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Many methods are clean, but currently 95% of hydrogen production is not clean.
  - jofer 2y ago
    That's largely because it's a byproduct of common hydrocarbon refining techniques. It's a bit silly to throw that away once it's produced.
geor9e 2y ago
What's the less weird way to say vegan leather? I tried, but it was got weirder.
- Out_of_Characte 2y ago
  synthetic leather No clue why 'vegan' products value adjectives to meat so much.
  - bpfrh 2y ago
    probably because synthetic sounds/is chemical and the producer wants to also market this to the "only natural products are good" crowd which probably has an overlap with people who are vegan.
    - Out_of_Characte 2y ago
      That's pretty ironic since most vegan products have significant basis in chemically enhanced flavour and nutrition
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  Calling it polyurethane or polyvinyl chloride sounds less weird to some, more weird to others.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  “Rich, Corinthian Leather.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSW1eCs90s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSW1eCs90s
- monknomo 2y ago
  naugahyde, pleather, vinyl, pvc, plastic
- zokier 2y ago
  Plastic?
ertgbnm 2y ago
Pretty sure we could call an AR-15 vegan too. I think that's why it's weird.
- serf 2y ago
  'leather' is sufficiently unique in characteristics that there exists no better thing to compare it by which to convey the physical properties to another.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  But AR 15s aren't meant to approximate the properties of a non-vegan product.
jacknews 2y ago
"hydrogen fuel cells ... Not exactly sure why they don't get much more love." Hydrogen is just pretty bad as an energy carrier, since it's so difficult to handle. The main attraction currently is that hydrogen fuel cells are fairly efficient and hydrogen oxidation releases a lot of energy (most of it from the O2 bond, as in most 'combustion') But if fuel cells that can directly handle more complex and more convenient hydrocarbons efficiently can be developed there will be little reason for hydrogen - maybe only cryogenic uses in rockets etc.
danans 2y ago
> I've always found this branding a bit weird, but I'm weird, as well, so there's that. Perhaps it's because it's using a culinary term for a non culinary use. The problem is that they can't use the term "plant-based" because most vegan leather is made from petroleum. "Non-animal leather" also doesn't have the same ring.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  “Pleather” used to be a common term. Also, “Naugahyde.”
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  Vegan wasn't originally a culinary term, but an ethical treatment of animals one, hence the avoidance of leather.

JojoFatsani 2y ago

It just means “vinyl” but it sounds more upscale than it is

jofer 2y ago

There are lots of different types of hydrogen production, but many of them are "clean" (or at least as clean as solar, anyway). The main issue with hydrogen is storage and transport. It's not an unsolvable problem, by any means, but it's significantly more difficult to safely store and transport than liquid hydrocarbons, at any rate. Hydrogen requires significant investments in infrastructure around it which mostly haven't been made yet.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
Many methods are clean, but currently 95% of hydrogen production is not clean.
- jofer 2y ago
  That's largely because it's a byproduct of common hydrocarbon refining techniques. It's a bit silly to throw that away once it's produced.

geor9e 2y ago

What's the less weird way to say vegan leather? I tried, but it was got weirder.

Out_of_Characte 2y ago
synthetic leather No clue why 'vegan' products value adjectives to meat so much.
- bpfrh 2y ago
  probably because synthetic sounds/is chemical and the producer wants to also market this to the "only natural products are good" crowd which probably has an overlap with people who are vegan.
  - Out_of_Characte 2y ago
    That's pretty ironic since most vegan products have significant basis in chemically enhanced flavour and nutrition
dialup_sounds 2y ago
Calling it polyurethane or polyvinyl chloride sounds less weird to some, more weird to others.
ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
“Rich, Corinthian Leather.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSW1eCs90s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSW1eCs90s
monknomo 2y ago
naugahyde, pleather, vinyl, pvc, plastic
zokier 2y ago
Plastic?

ertgbnm 2y ago

Pretty sure we could call an AR-15 vegan too. I think that's why it's weird.

serf 2y ago
'leather' is sufficiently unique in characteristics that there exists no better thing to compare it by which to convey the physical properties to another.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
But AR 15s aren't meant to approximate the properties of a non-vegan product.

jacknews 2y ago

"hydrogen fuel cells ... Not exactly sure why they don't get much more love." Hydrogen is just pretty bad as an energy carrier, since it's so difficult to handle. The main attraction currently is that hydrogen fuel cells are fairly efficient and hydrogen oxidation releases a lot of energy (most of it from the O2 bond, as in most 'combustion') But if fuel cells that can directly handle more complex and more convenient hydrocarbons efficiently can be developed there will be little reason for hydrogen - maybe only cryogenic uses in rockets etc.

danans 2y ago

> I've always found this branding a bit weird, but I'm weird, as well, so there's that. Perhaps it's because it's using a culinary term for a non culinary use. The problem is that they can't use the term "plant-based" because most vegan leather is made from petroleum. "Non-animal leather" also doesn't have the same ring.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
“Pleather” used to be a common term. Also, “Naugahyde.”
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Vegan wasn't originally a culinary term, but an ethical treatment of animals one, hence the avoidance of leather.