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Biden was a stop-gap measure as Democrats didn't risk to put any new emerging leader against Trump. I think it was a big mistake - basically "coronation" of Bid

by trhway 2y ago

Biden was a stop-gap measure as Democrats didn't risk to put any new emerging leader against Trump. I think it was a big mistake - basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader. And as a result, it seems to me that Biden like a huge tree in the forest only exacerbated the issue by not letting new leadership to grow in the last 4 years. Of course he didn't do it intentionally, he (and his entourage) just naturally sucked up all the air and nothing grew in his shadow. Now, with the "anointment" of Harris, Democrats are repeating that mistake for the 3rd time - ie. Hillary, Biden, Harris - while on the other side we have a "Viking" leader who bloody slaughtered and ate all the competitors who were in that Republican jar (compare that to "Biden campaign chair to staff: Time to elevate Kamala Harris" - leaders aren't elevated by some bureaucrats, leaders arise and elevate themselves) (To clarify my political position, i'm pro-Democrat and think Biden wasn't a bad president, though i think he completely dropped the ball on the foreign policy - while Ukraine and Israel are more prominent, they cause multipage flamewars, so instead i'd point to Houthis where i think majority can agree with me that what Houtis do in Red Sea is just plain war crimes (intentional attacks on civilian shipping) and that should have been immediately nipped in the bud by the overwhelming US and allies' force in the region - if anything, protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy, and i'd say it is a direct duty of the president to put it to such a use when the need arises)

shortrounddev2 2y ago
> basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though. Bernie, Warren, Andrew Yang all had their shot, some did pretty well, but ultimately the democratic base voted for Biden
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  > There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though. Does no one remember what actually happened? All the other candidates except Warren made back room deals and dropped out around Iowa, suddenly and for no reason. Leaving Biden as the obvious selection, and Warren there to siphon off Bernie support to make sure he wouldn’t be a problem. The base voted for Biden after they had no choice.
  - shortrounddev2 2y ago
    Biden was polling over 50% since the start of the race. The idea that Warren supporters owed Bernie their support is ridiculous (bernie and warren supporters hated each other), and the idea that everyone dropped out to save biden is a braindead conspiracy theory
  - jeffbee 2y ago
    If there are people who don't remember these facts clearly, you are among them. Nobody dropped out "around Iowa" except Kremlin stooge Yang and literal Republican Bloomberg. No legitimate candidate dropped out until South Carolina, where Biden trounced the whole field. They quit because they got their faces ripped off in a fair fight, not because of some backroom party shenanigans.
  - sitkack 2y ago
    All the democrats fell on their swords so they weren't "splitting the vote", because Bernie was way way more popular than any of them.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    There was also an intense pro-Biden anti-Bernie media campaign before the South Carolina primary. Fun times.
    - ihumanable 2y ago
      People are downvoting you, but February 7th Chris Matthews is on MSNBC after Biden and Sanders debate he says that Sanders will lead to executions in Central Park. https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-chris-matthews-ties-bernie-sanders-fears-socialist-executions-central-park-fidel-1486375 https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-chris-matthews-ties-bern...
  - cm2012 2y ago
    Completely wrong, everyone dropped out after Biden cemented an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday
    - 2y ago
pdonis 2y ago
> protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy As I understand it this was the position of the US Founders as well (and it is also mine).
- gumby 2y ago
  Well, Jefferson anyway (“…to the shores of Tripoli…”)
  - pdonis 2y ago
    He was the Founder who ended up being President when the US had both the motivation (which had been there for some time) and the naval resources (which had only just been coming online) to do something about it--but I don't think he was the only Founder who had that general view about the Navy.
fortran77 2y ago
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joshuamorton 2y ago
This takes a particular view of leadership as chaotic, violent, and aggressive, and not as collaborative, and quiet, but still assertive. Harris being immediately endorsed by basically all of the alternative candidates (Newsom, Whitmer, etc.) shows that her campaign has its shit together, and moving through the nomination process without conflict leaves fewer weaknesses for the opposition to take advantage of.
- PM_me_your_math 2y ago
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by trhway 2y ago

shortrounddev2 2y ago

> basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though. Bernie, Warren, Andrew Yang all had their shot, some did pretty well, but ultimately the democratic base voted for Biden

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
> There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though. Does no one remember what actually happened? All the other candidates except Warren made back room deals and dropped out around Iowa, suddenly and for no reason. Leaving Biden as the obvious selection, and Warren there to siphon off Bernie support to make sure he wouldn’t be a problem. The base voted for Biden after they had no choice.
- shortrounddev2 2y ago
  Biden was polling over 50% since the start of the race. The idea that Warren supporters owed Bernie their support is ridiculous (bernie and warren supporters hated each other), and the idea that everyone dropped out to save biden is a braindead conspiracy theory
- jeffbee 2y ago
  If there are people who don't remember these facts clearly, you are among them. Nobody dropped out "around Iowa" except Kremlin stooge Yang and literal Republican Bloomberg. No legitimate candidate dropped out until South Carolina, where Biden trounced the whole field. They quit because they got their faces ripped off in a fair fight, not because of some backroom party shenanigans.
- sitkack 2y ago
  All the democrats fell on their swords so they weren't "splitting the vote", because Bernie was way way more popular than any of them.
- kelipso 2y ago
  There was also an intense pro-Biden anti-Bernie media campaign before the South Carolina primary. Fun times.
  - ihumanable 2y ago
    People are downvoting you, but February 7th Chris Matthews is on MSNBC after Biden and Sanders debate he says that Sanders will lead to executions in Central Park. https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-chris-matthews-ties-bernie-sanders-fears-socialist-executions-central-park-fidel-1486375 https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-chris-matthews-ties-bern...
- cm2012 2y ago
  Completely wrong, everyone dropped out after Biden cemented an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday
  - 2y ago

pdonis 2y ago

> protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy As I understand it this was the position of the US Founders as well (and it is also mine).

gumby 2y ago
Well, Jefferson anyway (“…to the shores of Tripoli…”)
- pdonis 2y ago
  He was the Founder who ended up being President when the US had both the motivation (which had been there for some time) and the naval resources (which had only just been coming online) to do something about it--but I don't think he was the only Founder who had that general view about the Navy.

fortran77 2y ago

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joshuamorton 2y ago

This takes a particular view of leadership as chaotic, violent, and aggressive, and not as collaborative, and quiet, but still assertive. Harris being immediately endorsed by basically all of the alternative candidates (Newsom, Whitmer, etc.) shows that her campaign has its shit together, and moving through the nomination process without conflict leaves fewer weaknesses for the opposition to take advantage of.

PM_me_your_math 2y ago
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