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We should make the data on large platforms like YouTube and social media in general accessible to all companies for AI use (with the actual creator’s positive c

We should make the data on large platforms like YouTube and social media in general accessible to all companies for AI use (with the actual creator’s positive consent).

jsheard 2y ago
How many creators do you think would actually go out of their way to consent to their work being used for training? Maybe if they get paid, but otherwise forget about it.
- janice1999 2y ago
  There's actually an interesting perverse incentive here. A group of politically motivated actors (perhaps funded by a government or private interests) could create content with the sole purpose of opting in to all the AI data harvesting feeds. That way they could bias the output to their cause (assuming the AI company doing the training does take active measures to counter it).
  - jsheard 2y ago
    I would assume that's happening regardless, platforms like Reddit are already selling their data firehoses to AI companies, so anyone who manages to slip propaganda bots under Reddits radar will end up having their talking points fed into future AI training sets.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  Payment is out of the question - too much of a hassle. What is likely is websites either requiring you allow ai training in exchange for hosting your content, or giving some minor perk/incentive for it. Consider this comment itself. How much do you think it is worth for an AI company? Maybe 0.00001 dollars? How would you handle the logistics of money that little money?
- oldkinglog 2y ago
  This comment neatly explains why the LLM bubble will burst as soon as prosecutors remember that the DMCA doesn't have a carve-out for AI.
BadBadJellyBean 2y ago
I think all is about consent. And I don't even think that people would be so upset if the whole AI traing wasn't abot profit. But they way it is, companies are training their models on other people's work and try to make money with the models.
gregGisme 2y ago
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add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
Imagine if we'd been appropriately skeptical of the way social media might worsen society in exchange for some short term fun and convenience, rather than blindly conflate invention and novelty with progress. We can forgive ourselves for that naivete, but having seen that what excuse do we have now?
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We should make the data on large platforms like YouTube and social media in general accessible to all companies for AI use (with the actual creator’s positive consent).

jsheard 2y ago

How many creators do you think would actually go out of their way to consent to their work being used for training? Maybe if they get paid, but otherwise forget about it.

janice1999 2y ago
There's actually an interesting perverse incentive here. A group of politically motivated actors (perhaps funded by a government or private interests) could create content with the sole purpose of opting in to all the AI data harvesting feeds. That way they could bias the output to their cause (assuming the AI company doing the training does take active measures to counter it).
- jsheard 2y ago
  I would assume that's happening regardless, platforms like Reddit are already selling their data firehoses to AI companies, so anyone who manages to slip propaganda bots under Reddits radar will end up having their talking points fed into future AI training sets.
im3w1l 2y ago
Payment is out of the question - too much of a hassle. What is likely is websites either requiring you allow ai training in exchange for hosting your content, or giving some minor perk/incentive for it. Consider this comment itself. How much do you think it is worth for an AI company? Maybe 0.00001 dollars? How would you handle the logistics of money that little money?
oldkinglog 2y ago
This comment neatly explains why the LLM bubble will burst as soon as prosecutors remember that the DMCA doesn't have a carve-out for AI.

BadBadJellyBean 2y ago

I think all is about consent. And I don't even think that people would be so upset if the whole AI traing wasn't abot profit. But they way it is, companies are training their models on other people's work and try to make money with the models.

gregGisme 2y ago

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add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

Imagine if we'd been appropriately skeptical of the way social media might worsen society in exchange for some short term fun and convenience, rather than blindly conflate invention and novelty with progress. We can forgive ourselves for that naivete, but having seen that what excuse do we have now?

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