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Can you explain the clickbait part more? I checked and its true, down 17%. The other parts don't seem to be true, ex. sort of middle of the pack would make me

Can you explain the clickbait part more? I checked and its true, down 17%. The other parts don't seem to be true, ex. sort of middle of the pack would make me think 50th percentile of the manufacturers in the graphic, but its 75th. Don't mean to seem pushy, I just noticed in myself that I tend to call things clickbait when I had in mind a stronger claim the article doesn't make, and then the article doesn't say it. But really, that's all on me, unless there's dishonesty in the headline.

ars 2y ago
It's clicbait for making it seem as if Telsa is somehow unique in being down, and they go on an entire sidebar/tirade about it. But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. They should remove every bit of article that focuses on Telsa, and write about the entire industry instead.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  Is that true? The first thing we see is a graphic showing another 11 automakers. Seems unfair to say its clickbait because it should cover the thing it covered that is enabling us to call it clickbait.
- tzs 2y ago
  > It's clicbait for making it seem as if Telsa is somehow unique in being down, and they go on an entire sidebar/tirade about it. But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. Their point is that Tesla got to where it is due to a variety of factors that did not apply to most of the other manufacturers, that some of those factors had built-in time limits that may be being reached, and that Musk has been doing things that will reduce some of those other factors.
- threatofrain 2y ago
  Reading the chart does make me think different thoughts about Tesla. The brands that are doing worse than Tesla are "special" brands in my view. If Jeep is doing worse I just think about how they're already on the way out. But to me Tesla is the Apple of cars. Tesla dropping changes my worldview, but not Jeep, Ram, or Chrysler. Also, some people are just Tesla focused and want to think specifically about Tesla. As an Apple customer I'd pay attention if Apple sales went down, regardless if phones went down across the world.
- chipdart 2y ago
  > But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. Elon Musk has been pumping Tesla with never ending promises of full self driving cars arriving just next year but which never arrive. Elon Musk has been pumping Tesla with unbelievable promises of building AI, robots, etc, and has been demanding a 40B payday to keep those projects in Tesla. Elon Musk has been manipulating Tesla as a peon of his own personal ideological whims and political battles, going as far as using non-business assertions to drive his strategic business decision such as moving the company across states. Elon Musk has been a vocal supporter of far-right and fascist ideals, something that no other CEO is so moron to the point of ever doing the same, when Tesla's primary market is the middle/upper middle class which leans primarily into the liberal/social democrat political spectrum and who are the primary victims and target of said fascist movement. There are many, many differences between Tesla and all other auto makers, and these differences are all self-inflicted foot-in-mouth mistakes made by Elon Musk.

ars 2y ago

It's clicbait for making it seem as if Telsa is somehow unique in being down, and they go on an entire sidebar/tirade about it. But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. They should remove every bit of article that focuses on Telsa, and write about the entire industry instead.

refulgentis 2y ago
Is that true? The first thing we see is a graphic showing another 11 automakers. Seems unfair to say its clickbait because it should cover the thing it covered that is enabling us to call it clickbait.
tzs 2y ago
> It's clicbait for making it seem as if Telsa is somehow unique in being down, and they go on an entire sidebar/tirade about it. But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. Their point is that Tesla got to where it is due to a variety of factors that did not apply to most of the other manufacturers, that some of those factors had built-in time limits that may be being reached, and that Musk has been doing things that will reduce some of those other factors.
threatofrain 2y ago
Reading the chart does make me think different thoughts about Tesla. The brands that are doing worse than Tesla are "special" brands in my view. If Jeep is doing worse I just think about how they're already on the way out. But to me Tesla is the Apple of cars. Tesla dropping changes my worldview, but not Jeep, Ram, or Chrysler. Also, some people are just Tesla focused and want to think specifically about Tesla. As an Apple customer I'd pay attention if Apple sales went down, regardless if phones went down across the world.
chipdart 2y ago
> But actually there's nothing different about Telsa vs the other car manufacturers. Elon Musk has been pumping Tesla with never ending promises of full self driving cars arriving just next year but which never arrive. Elon Musk has been pumping Tesla with unbelievable promises of building AI, robots, etc, and has been demanding a 40B payday to keep those projects in Tesla. Elon Musk has been manipulating Tesla as a peon of his own personal ideological whims and political battles, going as far as using non-business assertions to drive his strategic business decision such as moving the company across states. Elon Musk has been a vocal supporter of far-right and fascist ideals, something that no other CEO is so moron to the point of ever doing the same, when Tesla's primary market is the middle/upper middle class which leans primarily into the liberal/social democrat political spectrum and who are the primary victims and target of said fascist movement. There are many, many differences between Tesla and all other auto makers, and these differences are all self-inflicted foot-in-mouth mistakes made by Elon Musk.