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I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People

I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People may be lukewarm on Biden but they despise Kamala for her shady history as a prosecutor.

g-b-r 2y ago
It sure seems like there are better chances with him gone; but yeah, he might have already given Trump the presidency by waiting so long (and for running for this election in the first place)
mock-possum 2y ago
As an anti-trump voter (aka a circumstantial democrat) - that’s what I’m worried about too. It feels like we’ve left it til too late without the democrats putting up anyone that people are excited about - while we know how the other side feels about trump.
- raziel2701 2y ago
  My question, and I know no one knows the answer, is are we afraid of a ghost? The ghost being a person who was all in on Biden, that now goes: "fuck that, I'm not voting for Harris" Are there large numbers of people like this? Nobody knows, but the media certainly does a good job of pushing that narrative. Informing you is not their job, getting you scared and angered is. I'm gonna vote for the non-fascist one. I wish Biden had stepped down much sooner, but it doesn't change the reality that I am scared of the violence that might arise if the right wins. Our country is in a state of corruption, the supreme court needs to be radically reigned-in and I only see one path before November to have a chance at addressing all these issues, and it's voting Democrats as much as we can.
  - treis 2y ago
    The election isn't decided by large numbers of voters. It's decided at the margins largely based on the 1-2% making a decision to go vote or not.
- anon373839 2y ago
  I would really like to see one of the pragmatic, centrist governors be nominated. Someone who can stop feeding the culture war and rebuild a centrist coalition. There are plenty of Trump voters in swing states who loathe Trump and support him only because they are voting against the far left.
fullshark 2y ago
The most recent poll this Saturday had Trump up 7 points in Michigan. It's basically impossible for Biden to win in that scenario. I think they were well on their way to losing and so they hit the panic button with good reason, if anything this will now introduce some uncertainty which improves their chances.
- newzisforsukas 2y ago
  Look at 2020, 2016, the overton window rapidly shifts. Anymore it seems that relying on polls four months out isn't ultimately meaningful.
tobias3 2y ago
The history as a prosecutor might be a significant advantage in a general election. The anti-police senitment has waned and she can position herself right at the center w.r.t. rule of law.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  Anti-police sentiment has not waned among minorities and that is a demographic she would need to capture to win.
  - nxm 2y ago
    Most Black folks want safety in their neighborhoods, period, and that is not possible without police and hence most support it. You don't hear "Defund the Police" anymore because we know how well it worked out.
    - fellowniusmonk 2y ago
      What city defunded their police?
      - Capricorn2481 2y ago
        None, it's a fantasy
      - drusepth 2y ago
        We slashed police funding in Portland and decimated the force available (to the point where the 911 response time to a robbery in my building was ~6 hours, local businesses my friends work at have private security for employees to call instead of 911, I've been on hold for the non-emergency police line for over 3 hours on multiple occasions, etc). Things are swinging back the other direction now, as seen by people like Rene Gonzalez (who ran on re-funding and utilizing police toward the local homeless problems) beating out the incumbent Jo Ann Hardesty (who refused to work with police in almost any capacity) in 2022, and a few more police re-funding votes passed since then.
energy123 2y ago
Prosecutor vs convicted rapist and convicted felon could run well. It's not 2020 anymore, the wave of anti-cop hysteria has well and truly ended.
throwaway290232 2y ago
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g-b-r 2y ago

It sure seems like there are better chances with him gone; but yeah, he might have already given Trump the presidency by waiting so long (and for running for this election in the first place)

mock-possum 2y ago

As an anti-trump voter (aka a circumstantial democrat) - that’s what I’m worried about too. It feels like we’ve left it til too late without the democrats putting up anyone that people are excited about - while we know how the other side feels about trump.

raziel2701 2y ago
My question, and I know no one knows the answer, is are we afraid of a ghost? The ghost being a person who was all in on Biden, that now goes: "fuck that, I'm not voting for Harris" Are there large numbers of people like this? Nobody knows, but the media certainly does a good job of pushing that narrative. Informing you is not their job, getting you scared and angered is. I'm gonna vote for the non-fascist one. I wish Biden had stepped down much sooner, but it doesn't change the reality that I am scared of the violence that might arise if the right wins. Our country is in a state of corruption, the supreme court needs to be radically reigned-in and I only see one path before November to have a chance at addressing all these issues, and it's voting Democrats as much as we can.
- treis 2y ago
  The election isn't decided by large numbers of voters. It's decided at the margins largely based on the 1-2% making a decision to go vote or not.
anon373839 2y ago
I would really like to see one of the pragmatic, centrist governors be nominated. Someone who can stop feeding the culture war and rebuild a centrist coalition. There are plenty of Trump voters in swing states who loathe Trump and support him only because they are voting against the far left.

fullshark 2y ago

The most recent poll this Saturday had Trump up 7 points in Michigan. It's basically impossible for Biden to win in that scenario. I think they were well on their way to losing and so they hit the panic button with good reason, if anything this will now introduce some uncertainty which improves their chances.

newzisforsukas 2y ago
Look at 2020, 2016, the overton window rapidly shifts. Anymore it seems that relying on polls four months out isn't ultimately meaningful.

tobias3 2y ago

The history as a prosecutor might be a significant advantage in a general election. The anti-police senitment has waned and she can position herself right at the center w.r.t. rule of law.

BadHumans 2y ago
Anti-police sentiment has not waned among minorities and that is a demographic she would need to capture to win.
- nxm 2y ago
  Most Black folks want safety in their neighborhoods, period, and that is not possible without police and hence most support it. You don't hear "Defund the Police" anymore because we know how well it worked out.
  - fellowniusmonk 2y ago
    What city defunded their police?
    - Capricorn2481 2y ago
      None, it's a fantasy
    - drusepth 2y ago
      We slashed police funding in Portland and decimated the force available (to the point where the 911 response time to a robbery in my building was ~6 hours, local businesses my friends work at have private security for employees to call instead of 911, I've been on hold for the non-emergency police line for over 3 hours on multiple occasions, etc). Things are swinging back the other direction now, as seen by people like Rene Gonzalez (who ran on re-funding and utilizing police toward the local homeless problems) beating out the incumbent Jo Ann Hardesty (who refused to work with police in almost any capacity) in 2022, and a few more police re-funding votes passed since then.

energy123 2y ago

Prosecutor vs convicted rapist and convicted felon could run well. It's not 2020 anymore, the wave of anti-cop hysteria has well and truly ended.

throwaway290232 2y ago

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