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Shouldn't he resign and let Kamala step in?

by caminante 2y ago

black_knight 2y ago
He can do president duties, while the candidate they choose go around collecting votes.
- caminante 2y ago
  That's the thing. If he's unfit to serve 6 months from now, then how is he fit to serve now? He didn't endorse Kamala in his letter. We'll see what comes out of the spin cycle this week. e: looks like Biden endorsed Kamala according to other publications
  - dwaltrip 2y ago
    One could argue the chaos and uncertainty from upending his currently functional administration is not worth the upsides, while allowing for a natural transition via the standard election and end of term process is worth it.
  - g-b-r 2y ago
    He's just probably unfit to serve four more years, and for sure was too unlikely to beat Trump
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - voxl 2y ago
    See you don't understand, he IS fit to serve, but he doesn't believe he'll win the election.
  - layer8 2y ago
    The important consideration is that he’s unfit to serve for four and a half more years, and also that he’s unfit to win the election. In contrast, he’s probably not considerably more unfit for the next six months than for the past six.
  - energy123 2y ago
    He's unfit to serve another 4 year term. That doesn't mean he's unfit to serve the rest of his current term.
  - colechristensen 2y ago
    He’s mildly unfit to serve now but there’s reasonable doubt he’ll be at all fit in a few years. That would be what the more rational people should be thinking. It’s not about day one it’s about year two, etc.
  - instagib 2y ago
    Unfit to run a campaign, travel like mad, and get over an illness. An extended lame duck session now.
    - cocacola1 2y ago
      Time to wield the pen.
ajkjk 2y ago
...should he? maybe you meant to make some argument that he should do that?
echelon 2y ago
Ordinarily, yes. But she doesn't poll well with a lot of key demographics due to her tough on crime stance as a DA. Making her president would mean she'd be the presumptive nominee, and I think the party has more optimal choices lined up. This election will come down to four battleground states. Those are the only states and battles that matter.
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  It wasn't really her tough on crime stance that was the problem. Gabbard nailed it: https://youtu.be/VxaRt-LlpEk?feature=shared https://youtu.be/VxaRt-LlpEk?feature=shared
- andrewinardeer 2y ago
  I hate to say it yet I don't think she's polling well because even in 2024 I don't think America is ready to allow a woman of colour be POTUS.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    You’re downvoted, but you’re correct.
  - koolba 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - zo1 2y ago
      I'm more worried about how divisive the race will be if they nominate her (black vs white). It'll allow the media machine to paint numerous "oh it's because she's black, isn't it" kind of rhetoric as a smear on the Republicans. Reading this entire thread tbh has been a sad and worrying re-affirmation of my beliefs that we're all collectively "fucked". We literally can't put aside differences (myself included) and argue on facts and details, and instead resorting to tribalism. The big reason we're resorting to tribalism, I think, is because of a peculiar element of human nature about wanting to "right" past "wrongs". So if me looking in from the outside, see the other side winning unfairly last time round, I'll support my side's wrongs despite them being objectively wrong (or what I don't even want) because I want to right the wrong of the past. That topped with the fact that the stakes are a whole lot higher each time means that neither side wants to "take one for the team" - because they know that if they did, the other side will just use the opportunity to the detriment of their opponents.
gumby 2y ago
Then the senate would refuse to approve a VP replacement. Remember that leading up to counting the electoral votes loose-lipped GOP senators were saying that Pence (the VP) wouldn’t be counting the days electoral votes? How do you think that would proceed?
- maxerickson 2y ago
  The problem is that the Republican controlled house would have to confirm the appointed VP. The senate might take a minute, but it would likely get it done.
  - gumby 2y ago
    Yeah, I meant the house: it would be much in the majority's interest* to leave the position vacant through the election. * I mean the way they seem to operate these days, where keeping the system running properly isn't considered important, and to a hardcore group is considered something to firmly oppose.
- LetsGoApp 2y ago
  The VP's confirmation would be beneficial, solidifying their position for re-election. However, if the confirmation fails, it could reflect negatively on those responsible, particularly if the candidate wins the general election, as it would highlight their inability to secure a key appointment. Regardless, the process would attract extensive media attention, offering free publicity, which is a win.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Note that by the 25th Amendment both houses would have to confirm. The (bare) Democratic majority Senate would be a challenge. The GOP majority House an even stronger hurdle. Though confirmation is a simple majority, not a supermajority (2/3 vote): Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv> There's also the fact that in ascending to the Presidency, Harris would no longer be President of the Senate, which would lose her tie-breaking vote, AFAIU.
LetsGoApp 2y ago
Yes, it would be beneficial for Biden to step down, as this would make Kamala Harris the presumptive nominee and simultaneously break the glass ceiling of a female US President. This would also demonstrate her presidential capabilities to the general public, who may not fully comprehend the responsibilities of the office. Furthermore, if Congress were unable to confirm a VP, it would reflect poorly on them and dominate news cycles, shifting the focus away from Republicans. As President, Harris would be able to address the nation with authority, rather than just as a VP campaigning for the top office. Additionally, it's been apparent for some time that Biden has been facing mental and physical health challenges; it's surprising that this isn't more widely acknowledged. Note: As an independent observer, I'm offering this perspective as a political strategist or from the perspective of Americans seeking to overcome the historical gender bias in US presidential politics.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  Nah. Let her earn it
  - LetsGoApp 2y ago
    Harris already earned it by being elected, so it's not about letting her earn it. The choice is Biden's alone to make, and it's obvious that it would politically amplify his endorsement and significantly reduce the likelihood of further drama within the Democratic Party so close to the election. Moreover, it would likely mitigate any legal challenges related to Biden's transition to Harris.
    - flappyeagle 2y ago
      Let her earn it
      - LetsGoApp 2y ago
        I appreciate your concise response, but I was hoping for a more in-depth analysis. Could you elaborate on your thoughts?

Shouldn't he resign and let Kamala step in?

black_knight 2y ago

He can do president duties, while the candidate they choose go around collecting votes.

caminante 2y ago
That's the thing. If he's unfit to serve 6 months from now, then how is he fit to serve now? He didn't endorse Kamala in his letter. We'll see what comes out of the spin cycle this week. e: looks like Biden endorsed Kamala according to other publications
- dwaltrip 2y ago
  One could argue the chaos and uncertainty from upending his currently functional administration is not worth the upsides, while allowing for a natural transition via the standard election and end of term process is worth it.
- g-b-r 2y ago
  He's just probably unfit to serve four more years, and for sure was too unlikely to beat Trump
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- voxl 2y ago
  See you don't understand, he IS fit to serve, but he doesn't believe he'll win the election.
- layer8 2y ago
  The important consideration is that he’s unfit to serve for four and a half more years, and also that he’s unfit to win the election. In contrast, he’s probably not considerably more unfit for the next six months than for the past six.
- energy123 2y ago
  He's unfit to serve another 4 year term. That doesn't mean he's unfit to serve the rest of his current term.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  He’s mildly unfit to serve now but there’s reasonable doubt he’ll be at all fit in a few years. That would be what the more rational people should be thinking. It’s not about day one it’s about year two, etc.
- instagib 2y ago
  Unfit to run a campaign, travel like mad, and get over an illness. An extended lame duck session now.
  - cocacola1 2y ago
    Time to wield the pen.

ajkjk 2y ago

...should he? maybe you meant to make some argument that he should do that?

echelon 2y ago

Ordinarily, yes. But she doesn't poll well with a lot of key demographics due to her tough on crime stance as a DA. Making her president would mean she'd be the presumptive nominee, and I think the party has more optimal choices lined up. This election will come down to four battleground states. Those are the only states and battles that matter.

readthenotes1 2y ago
It wasn't really her tough on crime stance that was the problem. Gabbard nailed it: https://youtu.be/VxaRt-LlpEk?feature=shared https://youtu.be/VxaRt-LlpEk?feature=shared
andrewinardeer 2y ago
I hate to say it yet I don't think she's polling well because even in 2024 I don't think America is ready to allow a woman of colour be POTUS.
- xenospn 2y ago
  You’re downvoted, but you’re correct.
- koolba 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - zo1 2y ago
    I'm more worried about how divisive the race will be if they nominate her (black vs white). It'll allow the media machine to paint numerous "oh it's because she's black, isn't it" kind of rhetoric as a smear on the Republicans. Reading this entire thread tbh has been a sad and worrying re-affirmation of my beliefs that we're all collectively "fucked". We literally can't put aside differences (myself included) and argue on facts and details, and instead resorting to tribalism. The big reason we're resorting to tribalism, I think, is because of a peculiar element of human nature about wanting to "right" past "wrongs". So if me looking in from the outside, see the other side winning unfairly last time round, I'll support my side's wrongs despite them being objectively wrong (or what I don't even want) because I want to right the wrong of the past. That topped with the fact that the stakes are a whole lot higher each time means that neither side wants to "take one for the team" - because they know that if they did, the other side will just use the opportunity to the detriment of their opponents.

gumby 2y ago

Then the senate would refuse to approve a VP replacement. Remember that leading up to counting the electoral votes loose-lipped GOP senators were saying that Pence (the VP) wouldn’t be counting the days electoral votes? How do you think that would proceed?

maxerickson 2y ago
The problem is that the Republican controlled house would have to confirm the appointed VP. The senate might take a minute, but it would likely get it done.
- gumby 2y ago
  Yeah, I meant the house: it would be much in the majority's interest* to leave the position vacant through the election. * I mean the way they seem to operate these days, where keeping the system running properly isn't considered important, and to a hardcore group is considered something to firmly oppose.
LetsGoApp 2y ago
The VP's confirmation would be beneficial, solidifying their position for re-election. However, if the confirmation fails, it could reflect negatively on those responsible, particularly if the candidate wins the general election, as it would highlight their inability to secure a key appointment. Regardless, the process would attract extensive media attention, offering free publicity, which is a win.
dredmorbius 2y ago
Note that by the 25th Amendment both houses would have to confirm. The (bare) Democratic majority Senate would be a challenge. The GOP majority House an even stronger hurdle. Though confirmation is a simple majority, not a supermajority (2/3 vote): Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv> There's also the fact that in ascending to the Presidency, Harris would no longer be President of the Senate, which would lose her tie-breaking vote, AFAIU.

LetsGoApp 2y ago

Yes, it would be beneficial for Biden to step down, as this would make Kamala Harris the presumptive nominee and simultaneously break the glass ceiling of a female US President. This would also demonstrate her presidential capabilities to the general public, who may not fully comprehend the responsibilities of the office. Furthermore, if Congress were unable to confirm a VP, it would reflect poorly on them and dominate news cycles, shifting the focus away from Republicans. As President, Harris would be able to address the nation with authority, rather than just as a VP campaigning for the top office. Additionally, it's been apparent for some time that Biden has been facing mental and physical health challenges; it's surprising that this isn't more widely acknowledged. Note: As an independent observer, I'm offering this perspective as a political strategist or from the perspective of Americans seeking to overcome the historical gender bias in US presidential politics.

flappyeagle 2y ago
Nah. Let her earn it
- LetsGoApp 2y ago
  Harris already earned it by being elected, so it's not about letting her earn it. The choice is Biden's alone to make, and it's obvious that it would politically amplify his endorsement and significantly reduce the likelihood of further drama within the Democratic Party so close to the election. Moreover, it would likely mitigate any legal challenges related to Biden's transition to Harris.
  - flappyeagle 2y ago
    Let her earn it
    - LetsGoApp 2y ago
      I appreciate your concise response, but I was hoping for a more in-depth analysis. Could you elaborate on your thoughts?