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It’s for the best. The man is not in his best form and he has repeatedly shown that he isn’t. He attempted to rectify the situation since the debate but even th

It’s for the best. The man is not in his best form and he has repeatedly shown that he isn’t. He attempted to rectify the situation since the debate but even those attempts fell short. Let’s see who is going to take the mantle now. /edit: he is endorsing Kamala, https://nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933 https://nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933

trentnix 2y ago
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- black_knight 2y ago
  He writes that he wants to focus on completing the term.
- antonvs 2y ago
  That doesn’t follow at all. There’s a process for removing him if enough people in congress believed that it was an issue, but there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency. Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that.
  - nightowl_games 2y ago
    It does follow. The reason is if the president is cognitively incapable of leading the country. There's a good argument that Biden isn't competent enough to drive a car or work at home Depot. He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports. It's pretty likely that he is effectively not the president right now, that his trusted senior advisers are actually running the country. I'm not saying all of this is certain or that Biden should be removed, but it is certainly plausible, if not likely.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      > He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports. If this is the criteria for “people who shouldn’t be president” then perhaps both parties should offer different candidates.
      - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
        Trump just had a 90 minute off the cuff acceptance speech at their convention. I can show you the disagreements I would have I can’t show you any major gaffes.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        > off the cuff acceptance speech If you want to split hairs and say that the verbal diarrhea that comes out of his mouth every time he opens it is not in itself one giant "gaffe," I guess I'll just concede the point and move on. He's still a giant asshole, always, to everyone, so my original point still stands. And why was his acceptance speech so "off the cuff" if it was at an official function where he had months to prepare?
        SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
        You don’t like him, I get it. Now, I wonder why you can’t step outside of your own opinion and look at things objectively? You know Joe’s gaffes and Kamala’s broke catchphrase aren’t the same things.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        Please don’t assert that you know what my opinion or state of mind is when you don’t. I honestly don’t know what “Kamala’s broke catchphrase” is. Joe Biden makes gaffes, appears to have problems with his memory on certain occasions, and is probably too old to run for another four years. None of the above contradicts anything I previously said.
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    - tzs 2y ago
      It does not follow. As we age we do have a decline in mental and physical function, but it is generally not uniform. From the reports I've heard his speaking ability is down, but his analytical abilities are still fine.
  - trentnix 2y ago
    | there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency The man is still the Commander-in-Chief. Anyone of limited mental faculties (which clearly describes President Biden), irrespective of their politics, should not be in the chair if they are not of sound mind. Consequently, I believe the responsible act would be for President Biden to resign the Presidency and allow his Vice President to take the mantle. | Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that. I actually don't think it's in the Republicans best interest to do so. Tactically, the Democrats would be wise to let Kamala Harris sit in the Oval Office and make her the nominee. It would legitimize her as both a nominee and a candidate. Given that isn't happening, the cynic in me believes that suggests the Democrats don't want her as their candidate. Regardless, the political machinations are irrelevant. It is irresponsible for Joe Biden to continue as President given he is obviously unfit to continue as the nominee.
    - quickthrowman 2y ago
      The thing is, there needs to be a Vice President to declare the winner of a Presidential election, as we all learned on Jan 6, 2021. If Biden resigns and Harris becomes President, a new VP would need to be confirmed by the Senate, and the (GOP controlled) House. What if the House refuses to take up the vote, similar to how McConnell refused to bring up Merrick Garland’s Supreme Court confirmation? In theory that kicks the election to the states, and each state counts as one vote, winner takes all. I don’t think that’s a gamble the Democrats are willing to take, being that a majority of states (not a majority of the population) are GOP controlled.
      - votepaunchy 2y ago
        The President pro tempore of the United States Senate (currently Patty Murray, D-WA) acts in place of the VP. “The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.” Article 1, Section 3
  - Mountain_Skies 2y ago
    A submarine launched nuclear missile takes about six minutes to hit its target. Presidents probably shouldn't even be permitted to drink alcohol during their time in office as responding to nuclear attacks is one of the major duties of office, even if one we hope they never have to perform.
    - HaZeust 2y ago
      There is an entire nuclear football[0] to ensure that's not an absolute power of the Presidency, what are you on about? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
      - shepherdjerred 2y ago
        I think you interpreted the parent as saying the president might be drunk & order an unprompted nuclear attack. The parent was really saying that the president might need to respond to a nuclear attack at any time, therefore they should always be sober and ready to respond. Essentially, the president is oncall 24/7 for reacting to nuclear threats. There are some protections though where the presidents orders can be disobeyed, which are mentioned in that Wikipedia article you linked. Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering#Discharge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering#Discharge > "What if [the president's] mind is deranged, disordered, even damagingly intoxicated? ... Can he launch despite displaying symptoms of imbalance? Is there anything to stop him?" Rosenbaum says that the answer is that launch would indeed be possible: to this day, the nuclear fail-safe protocols for executing commands are entirely concerned with the president's identity, not his sanity. The president alone authorizes a nuclear launch and the two-man rule does not apply to him.
        avar 2y ago
        Even if they didn't mean that, drunk or not, the US president has the sole authority, both legal and practical, to launch a nuclear strike. Respectfully, you might want to read something more current on the subject. The excellent book Command and Control [1] is a good place to start. The "protections" you appear to be alluding to presumably mean the "NCA"'s role in this. That's a term that has no official meaning since 2002 (and before that the president also had the sole authority to order nuclear strikes). 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Control_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Control_(book)
- g-b-r 2y ago
  Not in his best form doesn't mean unfit for president. But yeah, it might be better if he steps down, especially if the candidate will be Kamala Harris
- yongjik 2y ago
  He's still competent enough to be president. He just doesn't have the chops to skewer a lunatic in a live TV debate, which is unfortunately very important, because if he can't, the lunatic might be the next president.
  - RickJWagner 2y ago
    Think for a moment about what you are saying. He is not able to hold his own in a debate. Yet you believe he's strong enough to lead the nation and decide when to go to war or not? Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times. If Biden's age has been causing mental issues, fine. That'll happen to everybody. But if it's bad enough to stop him from running, it should be bad enough to keep him out of office.
    - navjack27 2y ago
      > Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times. You're basically saying a superhuman is the only thing that should be president. There doesn't exist a person that can navigate politics while having a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness at all times.
      - DANmode 2y ago
        I find this to be one of the most troubling comments in the thread. If it's true, then we genuinely have destroyed most societal incentive structure that makes being governed worthwhile.
    - tim333 2y ago
      He's deteriorating. He's probably ok to do the job now but the thought of him doing it in four years time is scary.
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        To invoke Grestky: it's where the puck is going that's a concern. Four years from today is not the same as today. (Agreeing with you, just adding to the perspective.)
- slater 2y ago
  Don't forget, Saint Ronald I. was (allegedly) basically a potato in the latter year(s) of his presidency. So there's precedence, with such a situation.
  - ianburrell 2y ago
    Wilson had a stroke in 1919 that left him incapacitated. His wife and doctor ran the country. Nixon has a drunk. Roosevelt was in declining health before beign reelected in 1944. He knew he might have to resign early.
    - sparrish 2y ago
      And just because all those things happened doesn't mean they should have, morally or ethically.
- tomjakubowski 2y ago
  Seems totally reasonable: I am confident in my ability to do this job now, but I'm less sure I'll be able to do it three or four years from now, so I will be seeing out this contract and won't sign a new one with you. A perfectly normal thing most working people do in their 60s.
  - ein0p 2y ago
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- energy123 2y ago
  He's unsuited to be President for another four years. That doesn't mean he needs to step down right now. It just means he shouldn't run for re-election.
  - koolba 2y ago
    He’s clearly incapable of making any serious decisions. He refers to his defense secretary when he can’t remember his name as “the black man”. He thought a different woman was his wife a few days ago and tried to kiss her. He’s delusional about the current state of the race. He can’t even descend two steps unassisted. He should have stepped down months ago, and the Democrat party is responsible for hiding this from the public. They really thought they could just shield him till after the election.
    - Capricorn2481 2y ago
      I mean you're describing Reagan and he is Christ to republicans. I don't think this is gonna have the public impact you think it will.
    - mastersummoner 2y ago
      Why say "the Democrat Party"? The party's name is the Democratic Party. It feels like an attempted slight, but I don't get it, except that I know Donald Trump occasionally says this as well. Which I also don't get as an insult.
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        He purposefully said "Democrat Party" to publicly identify himself as a right wing Trump supporter. It's a childish right wing shibboleth. He wants you to know he's a Trump supporter who listens to and parrots Fox News and right-wing media and politicians word for word: that's exactly why he and Trump and other MAGA supporters say that, to "virtue signal" their support of Trump. It's just like wearing a bandage on your ear. Look at all the other words he wrote: he's just being a parrot, as a way of announcing his political bias. He's just a concern troll, not serious about what he says, pointedly making that mistake on purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-conservatives-refer-to-the-Democrat-party-instead-of-saying-it-correctly-as-the-Democratic-party https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-conservatives-refer-to-the... https://x.com/shaun_gains/status/1751513959025222048 https://x.com/shaun_gains/status/1751513959025222048 >Remember “Democrat party” is the key right wing shibboleth when describing the Democratic Party. You gave yourself away. There is no such party as the “Democrat” Party in America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth >A shibboleth (/ˈʃɪbəlɛθ, -ɪθ/ ⓘ;[1][2] Biblical Hebrew: שִׁבֹּלֶת, romanized: šībbōleṯ) is any custom or tradition, usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word, that distinguishes one group of people from another.[3][4][5] Shibboleths have been used throughout history in many societies as passwords, simple ways of self-identification, signaling loyalty and affinity, maintaining traditional segregation, or protecting from real or perceived threats.
- avalys 2y ago
  It’s completely possible that he’s fit for office now but realizing that he won’t be able to convince voters that he will remain fit for the next 4 years.
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  Republicans would have to confirm a VP replacement, which they won't do. So even if he had to resign, he would be held hostage by Republicans because they would rather he lead the country badly than let someone else take over.
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black_knight 2y ago
He writes that he wants to focus on completing the term.
antonvs 2y ago
That doesn’t follow at all. There’s a process for removing him if enough people in congress believed that it was an issue, but there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency. Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that.
- nightowl_games 2y ago
  It does follow. The reason is if the president is cognitively incapable of leading the country. There's a good argument that Biden isn't competent enough to drive a car or work at home Depot. He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports. It's pretty likely that he is effectively not the president right now, that his trusted senior advisers are actually running the country. I'm not saying all of this is certain or that Biden should be removed, but it is certainly plausible, if not likely.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    > He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports. If this is the criteria for “people who shouldn’t be president” then perhaps both parties should offer different candidates.
    - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
      Trump just had a 90 minute off the cuff acceptance speech at their convention. I can show you the disagreements I would have I can’t show you any major gaffes.
      - angoragoats 2y ago
        > off the cuff acceptance speech If you want to split hairs and say that the verbal diarrhea that comes out of his mouth every time he opens it is not in itself one giant "gaffe," I guess I'll just concede the point and move on. He's still a giant asshole, always, to everyone, so my original point still stands. And why was his acceptance speech so "off the cuff" if it was at an official function where he had months to prepare?
        SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
        You don’t like him, I get it. Now, I wonder why you can’t step outside of your own opinion and look at things objectively? You know Joe’s gaffes and Kamala’s broke catchphrase aren’t the same things.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        Please don’t assert that you know what my opinion or state of mind is when you don’t. I honestly don’t know what “Kamala’s broke catchphrase” is. Joe Biden makes gaffes, appears to have problems with his memory on certain occasions, and is probably too old to run for another four years. None of the above contradicts anything I previously said.
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  - tzs 2y ago
    It does not follow. As we age we do have a decline in mental and physical function, but it is generally not uniform. From the reports I've heard his speaking ability is down, but his analytical abilities are still fine.
- trentnix 2y ago
  | there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency The man is still the Commander-in-Chief. Anyone of limited mental faculties (which clearly describes President Biden), irrespective of their politics, should not be in the chair if they are not of sound mind. Consequently, I believe the responsible act would be for President Biden to resign the Presidency and allow his Vice President to take the mantle. | Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that. I actually don't think it's in the Republicans best interest to do so. Tactically, the Democrats would be wise to let Kamala Harris sit in the Oval Office and make her the nominee. It would legitimize her as both a nominee and a candidate. Given that isn't happening, the cynic in me believes that suggests the Democrats don't want her as their candidate. Regardless, the political machinations are irrelevant. It is irresponsible for Joe Biden to continue as President given he is obviously unfit to continue as the nominee.
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    The thing is, there needs to be a Vice President to declare the winner of a Presidential election, as we all learned on Jan 6, 2021. If Biden resigns and Harris becomes President, a new VP would need to be confirmed by the Senate, and the (GOP controlled) House. What if the House refuses to take up the vote, similar to how McConnell refused to bring up Merrick Garland’s Supreme Court confirmation? In theory that kicks the election to the states, and each state counts as one vote, winner takes all. I don’t think that’s a gamble the Democrats are willing to take, being that a majority of states (not a majority of the population) are GOP controlled.
    - votepaunchy 2y ago
      The President pro tempore of the United States Senate (currently Patty Murray, D-WA) acts in place of the VP. “The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.” Article 1, Section 3
- Mountain_Skies 2y ago
  A submarine launched nuclear missile takes about six minutes to hit its target. Presidents probably shouldn't even be permitted to drink alcohol during their time in office as responding to nuclear attacks is one of the major duties of office, even if one we hope they never have to perform.
  - HaZeust 2y ago
    There is an entire nuclear football[0] to ensure that's not an absolute power of the Presidency, what are you on about? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
    - shepherdjerred 2y ago
      I think you interpreted the parent as saying the president might be drunk & order an unprompted nuclear attack. The parent was really saying that the president might need to respond to a nuclear attack at any time, therefore they should always be sober and ready to respond. Essentially, the president is oncall 24/7 for reacting to nuclear threats. There are some protections though where the presidents orders can be disobeyed, which are mentioned in that Wikipedia article you linked. Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering#Discharge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering#Discharge > "What if [the president's] mind is deranged, disordered, even damagingly intoxicated? ... Can he launch despite displaying symptoms of imbalance? Is there anything to stop him?" Rosenbaum says that the answer is that launch would indeed be possible: to this day, the nuclear fail-safe protocols for executing commands are entirely concerned with the president's identity, not his sanity. The president alone authorizes a nuclear launch and the two-man rule does not apply to him.
      - avar 2y ago
        Even if they didn't mean that, drunk or not, the US president has the sole authority, both legal and practical, to launch a nuclear strike. Respectfully, you might want to read something more current on the subject. The excellent book Command and Control [1] is a good place to start. The "protections" you appear to be alluding to presumably mean the "NCA"'s role in this. That's a term that has no official meaning since 2002 (and before that the president also had the sole authority to order nuclear strikes). 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Control_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Control_(book)
g-b-r 2y ago
Not in his best form doesn't mean unfit for president. But yeah, it might be better if he steps down, especially if the candidate will be Kamala Harris
yongjik 2y ago
He's still competent enough to be president. He just doesn't have the chops to skewer a lunatic in a live TV debate, which is unfortunately very important, because if he can't, the lunatic might be the next president.
- RickJWagner 2y ago
  Think for a moment about what you are saying. He is not able to hold his own in a debate. Yet you believe he's strong enough to lead the nation and decide when to go to war or not? Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times. If Biden's age has been causing mental issues, fine. That'll happen to everybody. But if it's bad enough to stop him from running, it should be bad enough to keep him out of office.
  - navjack27 2y ago
    > Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times. You're basically saying a superhuman is the only thing that should be president. There doesn't exist a person that can navigate politics while having a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness at all times.
    - DANmode 2y ago
      I find this to be one of the most troubling comments in the thread. If it's true, then we genuinely have destroyed most societal incentive structure that makes being governed worthwhile.
  - tim333 2y ago
    He's deteriorating. He's probably ok to do the job now but the thought of him doing it in four years time is scary.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      To invoke Grestky: it's where the puck is going that's a concern. Four years from today is not the same as today. (Agreeing with you, just adding to the perspective.)
slater 2y ago
Don't forget, Saint Ronald I. was (allegedly) basically a potato in the latter year(s) of his presidency. So there's precedence, with such a situation.
- ianburrell 2y ago
  Wilson had a stroke in 1919 that left him incapacitated. His wife and doctor ran the country. Nixon has a drunk. Roosevelt was in declining health before beign reelected in 1944. He knew he might have to resign early.
  - sparrish 2y ago
    And just because all those things happened doesn't mean they should have, morally or ethically.
tomjakubowski 2y ago
Seems totally reasonable: I am confident in my ability to do this job now, but I'm less sure I'll be able to do it three or four years from now, so I will be seeing out this contract and won't sign a new one with you. A perfectly normal thing most working people do in their 60s.
- ein0p 2y ago
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energy123 2y ago
He's unsuited to be President for another four years. That doesn't mean he needs to step down right now. It just means he shouldn't run for re-election.
- koolba 2y ago
  He’s clearly incapable of making any serious decisions. He refers to his defense secretary when he can’t remember his name as “the black man”. He thought a different woman was his wife a few days ago and tried to kiss her. He’s delusional about the current state of the race. He can’t even descend two steps unassisted. He should have stepped down months ago, and the Democrat party is responsible for hiding this from the public. They really thought they could just shield him till after the election.
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    I mean you're describing Reagan and he is Christ to republicans. I don't think this is gonna have the public impact you think it will.
  - mastersummoner 2y ago
    Why say "the Democrat Party"? The party's name is the Democratic Party. It feels like an attempted slight, but I don't get it, except that I know Donald Trump occasionally says this as well. Which I also don't get as an insult.
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      He purposefully said "Democrat Party" to publicly identify himself as a right wing Trump supporter. It's a childish right wing shibboleth. He wants you to know he's a Trump supporter who listens to and parrots Fox News and right-wing media and politicians word for word: that's exactly why he and Trump and other MAGA supporters say that, to "virtue signal" their support of Trump. It's just like wearing a bandage on your ear. Look at all the other words he wrote: he's just being a parrot, as a way of announcing his political bias. He's just a concern troll, not serious about what he says, pointedly making that mistake on purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-conservatives-refer-to-the-Democrat-party-instead-of-saying-it-correctly-as-the-Democratic-party https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-conservatives-refer-to-the... https://x.com/shaun_gains/status/1751513959025222048 https://x.com/shaun_gains/status/1751513959025222048 >Remember “Democrat party” is the key right wing shibboleth when describing the Democratic Party. You gave yourself away. There is no such party as the “Democrat” Party in America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth >A shibboleth (/ˈʃɪbəlɛθ, -ɪθ/ ⓘ;[1][2] Biblical Hebrew: שִׁבֹּלֶת, romanized: šībbōleṯ) is any custom or tradition, usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word, that distinguishes one group of people from another.[3][4][5] Shibboleths have been used throughout history in many societies as passwords, simple ways of self-identification, signaling loyalty and affinity, maintaining traditional segregation, or protecting from real or perceived threats.
avalys 2y ago
It’s completely possible that he’s fit for office now but realizing that he won’t be able to convince voters that he will remain fit for the next 4 years.
Capricorn2481 2y ago
Republicans would have to confirm a VP replacement, which they won't do. So even if he had to resign, he would be held hostage by Republicans because they would rather he lead the country badly than let someone else take over.
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