>and that they need 3 months of development then you better shut the f** up and let them do their job. This in a way covers the issue. Never in all my decades

>and that they need 3 months of development then you better shut the f** up and let them do their job. This in a way covers the issue. Never in all my decades developing have had an estimate accepted. All the developers get is "It must be done by ...., no exceptions". So you end up pulling all nighters for weeks, and because you are tired, errors or bad decisions creep in. So yes, the issue is fully with upper management. I left a company because a big project was about to start and I could see it would be a big cluster**. People who stayed told me that is what happened.