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Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.
by mensetmanusman 2y ago
Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago[flagged]
- yieldcrv 2y agothat's not my interpretation, the opposition party votes as a bloc against everything until they aren't the opposition party any more. democrats do that too. neither party can pass a filibuster in the senate so it doesn't matter, it isn't about any party position. republicans support setting H1B visas at the same standard it was created for in 1991. I support that. I support linking the standards of minimum compensation to inflation or some automatically moving metric. we already have several higher criteria work visas, H1B's is just the most popular. republicans support our education visas turning into residency or work visas more seamlessly. I support that. the party doesn't support the empathy arguments for people that are here without a visa. I think something more holistic should be considered than mass deportation. Its important to add nuance. We have many categories of immigration and many populations. As well as a porous mismanaged border.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoThat’s wrong on its face, since some legislation does get passed. They don’t oppose everything, they are selective. It’s strictly for political points. If Republican voters supported more immigration, it could happen. They just don’t. And calling people brought here as children by their parents criminals is ridiculous.
- hackinthebochs 2y agoThis is disingenuous. What the term illegal is referring to is unvetted. We could make all illegal immigrants legal at the stroke of a pen, but that's completely missing the point. We want immigration to be in service to the existing population. Giving a path to citizenship to anyone who has made it here no matter the means is just to torpedo the idea that immigration should be in service to the needs of the existing citizens.
- codedokode 2y agoWhy legalize people who entered illegally? Why have rules and quotas then?
- goodluckchuck 2y agoThe rules exist so that certain people have a pool of “off the books” informants / assets that they can leverage. If you allow them in, then you lose the stick. If you can’t grant citizenship, then you lose the carrot.
- refurb 2y agoAs someone who isn't American, the dialogue around immigration in the US seems so odd. I've lived in six different countries (including the US) and in every other country there is no discussion around illegal immigrants - they are deported. It's not even a political issue. Having secure borders is a norm. Then I get to the US and there is this weird political debate around it. For someone reason it's "bad" to refer to people who enter illegally as "illegal immigrants". People argue that people who entered illegally should be legalized. I find it really odd.
- suzzer99 2y agoIt's because the US has historically promulgated a nudge-nudge wink-wink attitude that could be summed up as "You can't come here legally, but if you get through our defenses, there will be plenty of work waiting for you." Many of us have sympathy for people who came in under this system who generally just want to work their asses off doing jobs no American wants to do. We're also talking about kids brought here as toddlers. Many of us think deporting these people is particularly cruel, as their home country is completely foreign to them.
- refurb 2y ago> It's because the US has historically promulgated a nudge-nudge wink-wink attitude that could be summed up as "You can't come here legally, but if you get through our defenses, there will be plenty of work waiting for you." Do you mean official US government policy? Do you have a source for that claim?
- ericmcer 2y agoSo our immigration policy is you can either do all the work migrate legally or you can sneak in and we will legalize you. Congress should make that our official immigration policy?
- apsec112 2y agoTrump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...
- selfmodruntime 2y ago[flagged]
- zozbot234 2y agoLowering wages and salaries for skilled workers has a big disinflationary effect and slashes inequality. (The bulk of inequality is indeed due to skill-biased divergence in labor income, not passive or unearned income from asset ownership.)
- selfmodruntime 2y agoI agree if we look at through a purely economical lense, but you can’t deny that this statement may sour some voters opinions.
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- saagarjha 2y agoSo, you do understand how this exactly demonstrates how you are anti-immigration, not just anti-illegal immigration?
- selfmodruntime 2y agoI am not the original commenter. I am not anti immigration. I am merely critical of it. We need skilled healthcare workers. Instead giant corporations are focusing on importing software engineers o drive down wages.
- sharkjacobs 2y ago
- hnpolicestate 2y agoThe grassroots of the Republican Party absolutely want a reduction in all immigration. Few actually in Congress though. I'm talking about voters.
- minicoz 2y ago[flagged]
- np- 2y agoBecause it’s functionally impossible to deport all “illegals” without massively disrupting legal immigrant communities? How exactly do you propose the illegal immigrant gestapo determine someone is here legally? Race? Accent? Stop every brown person on the street and ask for papers…? What don’t republicans understand by this
- HideousKojima 2y agoOr you could just... require proof of citizenship/legal residence for housing, jobs, etc.? No need for Gestapo checking papers.
- np- 2y agoEr, this is already the law right? Every job I’ve held in the US, I needed to prove I’m eligible to legally work. Obviously this doesn’t work to resolve the issue at all.
- goodluckchuck 2y agoThe Feds know where most illegal aliens live and work, they just don’t do anything about it.
- beaned 2y agoThere are many jobs where it isn't enforced.
- bluefirebrand 2y agoPlenty of people work for cash under the table
- oefrha 2y agoIllegal immigrants have been working small restaurants, ethnic supermarkets etc. since time immemorial, law enforcement has turned a blind eye is all. Now with the rise of gig economy, there are tons of jobs where you never even see your employer, so it’s even easier: there are citizens/permanent residents/others with work permits renting out their gig accounts like Uber Eats to illegals.
- jimbob45 2y agoThere’s a very interesting question to be answered as to whether more high-quality immigrants come through legal immigration or illegal immigration. Legal immigration is more likely to bring those you actively desire via quotas. Still illegal immigration has the advantage of raw numbers. There’s also the question of how many 2nd/3rd generation immigrants go on to become high-quality from each group.
- zozbot234 2y agoThere's absolutely nothing preventing large "raw numbers" of legal skilled immigrants to high-income countries, except policy choices that are overtly hostile towards increasing legal immigration.
- margalabargala 2y agoBeing strongly anti illegal immigration is among their positions, yes, but I think OP is more referring to their position of erecting additional.barriers in the way of legal immigration. They have discovered it is easier to win political points by making current legal immigrants illegal and deporting them, than addressing what people think of as "illegal immigration". But they get to call it the same thing :-)
- dangus 2y agoIt's a mistake to make the good-faith assumption that Republicans have logically consistent views. To Republicans, Cubans don't count as illegal immigrants because they're escaping "communism," and their immigrants consistently vote red. Plus, the majority of Cubans are white and Christian, unlike the brown immigrants that Republicans don't want in the country.