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Florida is a special version of horrible when it comes to treatment of incarcerated and formerly incarcerated people. The citizens of Florida overwhelmingly vot
by frob 2y ago
Florida is a special version of horrible when it comes to treatment of incarcerated and formerly incarcerated people. The citizens of Florida overwhelmingly voted to restore voting rights to people who had completed their sentence. Ron DeSantis and the Republicans modified the law to prevent people from voting if they hadn't paid all of their fees, which there is no central tracking or source of. They then went on to arrest Black citizens who tried to register to vote after their PO had told them they owed no money and were clear to vote.
- actionfromafar 2y ago[flagged]
- notaustinpowers 2y agoWho needs those pesky things like free and fair elections when you can just disenfranchise the competition!
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- _heimdall 2y agoAlabama should be included on any list of states terrible to inmates. We still have jails and prisons without HVAC. I really don't care what you did, having to live in a metal and concrete box in the middle of an Alabama summer without basic air conditioning is absolutely torture in my book.
- arbuge 2y agoThis is a problem in Texas also, although my understanding is that they're working on it: https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/ac/index.html https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/ac/index.html
- anovikov 2y ago[flagged]
- JadeNB 2y ago> And well, this was done for a very simple reason: almost all criminals vote Democratic. Criminals deserve human rights as anyone else does, but, all the same, I think it's important not to buy into the framing imprisoned → criminal. (To be clear, these charges would still be wrong even if we lived in a world where only the guilty were imprisoned, but that's not our world.) I also doubt your statistic. Do you have a reference?
- dirtyhippiefree 2y agoUnsure why you used the word “statistic.” A numerical piece of information has to contain a number to be a statistic.
- JadeNB 2y agoI have no objection to calling "almost all criminals vote Democratic" a "claim" rather than a "statistic," although I'm not sure what it changes. I still doubt the claim, and, even if there is no pre-defined numeric threshold at which one can say precisely that one more criminal voting Democratic would mean "almost all" do, and one less would mean the contrary, then there are certainly quantitative data that could be judged to refute it—for example, if fewer than half do—or that could be judged to be evidence for it—or example, if 90% do. I think it is reasonable to ask for a reference to some confirmatory evidence for such a statement.
- ClarityJones 2y ago[flagged]
- actionfromafar 2y agoIf it’s illegal, how about not sending illegal invoices to people? Just an idea.
- ClarityJones 2y ago[flagged]
- actionfromafar 2y agoAre you a representative of my state and you recently incarcerated me?
- nativeit 2y agoThis does not include those who were not wrongfully convicted, but who did not serve out the entirety of their sentences, or who had been released without the state admitting wrongdoing. This appears to be more limited in scope than the parent comment’s underlying point.
- ClarityJones 2y ago[flagged]
- TylerE 2y agoNo it doesn't. "Wrongful conviction" is a term of art with a very specific meaning here. Likewise "fees".
- Maxatar 2y agonativeit says that it doesn't apply to those who were not wrongfully convicted, then an authoritative source is presented that clearly states that it does apply to those who were not wrongfully convicted, and your counterclaim is that "wrongfully convicted" is a term of art with a specific legal meaning? What on Earth???
- Terr_ 2y agoA lot of horrible state laws from the civic DNA of post-slavery "black codes".
- jimt1234 2y agoI love this ^^^ However, you forgot one particularly disgusting tidbit: the Supreme Court blessed Florida's poll tax, basically concluding that, even though it looks like a poll tax, it's really not, so it's all good.
- andrepd 2y agoDid not know what this was about so I googled it. What a disgusting and kafkaeske situation indeed.
- zeroonetwothree 2y agoTo be fair, before 2018 felons couldn’t vote at all. So it’s still an improvement compared to the previous situation.