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This would fit maybe in 2019, but Moldova now has many foreigners. Hotel prices went up considerably! For "Europe's least visited country" try Belorus, Ukraine

This would fit maybe in 2019, but Moldova now has many foreigners. Hotel prices went up considerably! For "Europe's least visited country" try Belorus, Ukraine, Russia, Ossetia or Armenia. Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024

atlasunshrugged 2y ago
Every time I've been to Armenia there are many people visiting, although I think probably 80%+ are diaspora or descendants of diaspora folks edit to add -- not sure Ossetia is technically a country... the Georgians might quibble with you on that one
- nasdaq-txn 2y ago
  The Georgians and the other 187 UN member states that don't recognize either South Ossetia or Abkhazia.
  - thriftwy 2y ago
    I think it's obvious that unrecognized states are hot contenders for "least visited".
    - petre 2y ago
      For starters your travel insurance might not cover you there.
- Aspos 2y ago
  Went to a hotel lobby bar once and asked guys sitting to the left and to the right of me where are they from. Turns out both were Scots. Asked them what do they think about Scottish independence. One thing led to another and soon enough they started fist-fighting each other. Armenian cognac is great.
  - cole-k 2y ago
    Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland! https://youtu.be/i2q0T7QXETs https://youtu.be/i2q0T7QXETs
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >soon enough they started fist-fighting each other Never change Scotland.
  - patates 2y ago
    Obviously no true Scotsman would do such things.
  - GJim 2y ago
    I should remind you that the Scottish character can be summed up by the simple observation that Scotland is the only country whose national dress includes a knife in the sock.
geoka9 2y ago
> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 Don't. It's impossible to do from the Ukrainian side and illegal from Russia.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  Illegal? Why?
  - flemhans 2y ago
    You're entering Ukraine without passing their immigration
    - LAC-Tech 2y ago
      LOL yeah I'm sure they'll get right on prosecuting that.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Also, from the practical side you don't want to accidentally find the leftover mines.
swozey 2y ago
I have a Russian friend who is adamant that I would really enjoy and have a great time in Russia. IIRC he tells me to go to St Pete more than Moscow. But I cannot imagine doing that as an American. It kind of makes me wonder if he's messing with me but he hates Russia and Putin and I don't know why he would. I feel like I would be so unsafe. I'm a very "American" looking person and I only know a handful of Russian words. Well, I guess I look more German, blonde/blue eyed. Maybe just very different apprehensions when it comes to travel. He seems to be willing to go to literally anywhere. Ironically I always expect an American to start shit with him when I'm out drinking with him so I sometimes deviate conversations away from him having to talk about being Russian at every bar we're at. He's only been in America a few years so as soon as he speaks the entire bar knows he's Russian.
- vzaliva 2y ago
  If you go to russia there is a chance of you being arrested on made-up charge just to be used as exchange fund for russian spies or arm dealers arrested in the west. Look up Paul Whelan, Brittney Griner, Michael Calvey, Trevor Reed, and most recently Travis Leake.
  - travismark 2y ago
    or Evan Gershkovich. St Pete was a wonderful city to visit before the 2014 invasion, now I think it's too risky
  - swozey 2y ago
    Oh yeah I know all about our people over there. Not a chance I'd go post 2014 unless a revolution happens. They're all sad stories but there's a ballerina who lived in California for decades and was a US citizen (If you were ever Russian, Russia doesn't recognize your new state, you're always Russian) who was arrested last year when visiting I believe a grandma. Her charge was that she donated $25 to a Ukranian refugee fund. She had a few articles last year but not much keeping her in the news. She's going to have a tough time being an immigrant from Russia who donated to Ukraine. I don't think she has a chance of getting out and the women penal colonies like IK-14 are essentially slave factories. The Ukraine war has taught me a lot about how Russia treats peope, especially women. Field Wives, et al. Now they're releasing female prisoners to Storm Z groups to go to the front line. https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/world-news/ksenia-karelinas-letter-reveals-conditions-in-russian-prison/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/world-news/ksenia-karelinas-le... https://www.rferl.org/a/notorious-russian-women-s-prison-hell-tolokonnikova-mordovia-ik-14/29788168.html https://www.rferl.org/a/notorious-russian-women-s-prison-hel...
starik36 2y ago
There are tons of foreigners in Armenia from all over. Including a metric ton of Russians who don't want to be drafted.
type0 2y ago
> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 except you'll be on occupied territory and will be breaking Ukrainian law, you might get a prison sentence if you ever go to Ukraine again
- krick 2y ago
  How would they ever know if you won't outright tell them yourself (like being a famous person an posting your itinerary on the instagram)? They'll see you've been to Russia, if you use the same passport for both visas, which may be frowned upon right now, but not illegal. But which Russian cities you've been to (and de-facto Mariupol is just that right now) — who the hell knows?
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    Plenty of people have two passports for this reason. Lots of things in immigration require you to honestly self-report and have no mechanism to validate at the point-of-entry. For instance, many countries without visa requirements will still ask about criminal records in your native country, but have no access to the data to verify if you tell them you've never even had a parking ticket. But if you get caught later down the line, then they are going to use your lies to make life very hard for you.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - snmx999 2y ago
      Using two passports is not always the solution. As a dual citizen of two countries, I also have two passports. A couple of years ago I travelled to Malta with the passport from the country I currently live in. One week later I flew over to Israel, where I used the passport of my birth country. I was extensively interrogated at the border, because apparently the system flagged me to the border officer as there was no record of me entering Malta with the passport I attempted to leave the country with.
pound 2y ago
BelArus
- teractiveodular 2y ago
  It's Белоруссия (Byelorussia) in Russian, although Belarusians are not terribly fond of the name.
qingcharles 2y ago
> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 And order a Chicken Kiev when you arrive!
ogurechny 2y ago
On the contrary, if you pretend to be an idiot, and ask some Russian government-affiliated NGO “helping Donbass” if you can have a look yourself to be “free from Western propaganda”, I am sure they can pretend to get some positive publicity that way, and add you to this or that group of journalists and government officials who are shown Potemkin reconstruction (on a guided tour in presence of totally not plainclothes agents). But I don't see any point in doing that. If you follow the timeless advice of Egor Letov, and read some North Korean or Soviet books, you would know everything that is going to be said. Why waste time watching someone perform the stupid play?

atlasunshrugged 2y ago

Every time I've been to Armenia there are many people visiting, although I think probably 80%+ are diaspora or descendants of diaspora folks edit to add -- not sure Ossetia is technically a country... the Georgians might quibble with you on that one

nasdaq-txn 2y ago
The Georgians and the other 187 UN member states that don't recognize either South Ossetia or Abkhazia.
- thriftwy 2y ago
  I think it's obvious that unrecognized states are hot contenders for "least visited".
  - petre 2y ago
    For starters your travel insurance might not cover you there.
Aspos 2y ago
Went to a hotel lobby bar once and asked guys sitting to the left and to the right of me where are they from. Turns out both were Scots. Asked them what do they think about Scottish independence. One thing led to another and soon enough they started fist-fighting each other. Armenian cognac is great.
- cole-k 2y ago
  Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland! https://youtu.be/i2q0T7QXETs https://youtu.be/i2q0T7QXETs
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >soon enough they started fist-fighting each other Never change Scotland.
- patates 2y ago
  Obviously no true Scotsman would do such things.
- GJim 2y ago
  I should remind you that the Scottish character can be summed up by the simple observation that Scotland is the only country whose national dress includes a knife in the sock.

geoka9 2y ago

> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 Don't. It's impossible to do from the Ukrainian side and illegal from Russia.

riehwvfbk 2y ago
Illegal? Why?
- flemhans 2y ago
  You're entering Ukraine without passing their immigration
  - LAC-Tech 2y ago
    LOL yeah I'm sure they'll get right on prosecuting that.
viraptor 2y ago
Also, from the practical side you don't want to accidentally find the leftover mines.

swozey 2y ago

I have a Russian friend who is adamant that I would really enjoy and have a great time in Russia. IIRC he tells me to go to St Pete more than Moscow. But I cannot imagine doing that as an American. It kind of makes me wonder if he's messing with me but he hates Russia and Putin and I don't know why he would. I feel like I would be so unsafe. I'm a very "American" looking person and I only know a handful of Russian words. Well, I guess I look more German, blonde/blue eyed. Maybe just very different apprehensions when it comes to travel. He seems to be willing to go to literally anywhere. Ironically I always expect an American to start shit with him when I'm out drinking with him so I sometimes deviate conversations away from him having to talk about being Russian at every bar we're at. He's only been in America a few years so as soon as he speaks the entire bar knows he's Russian.

vzaliva 2y ago
If you go to russia there is a chance of you being arrested on made-up charge just to be used as exchange fund for russian spies or arm dealers arrested in the west. Look up Paul Whelan, Brittney Griner, Michael Calvey, Trevor Reed, and most recently Travis Leake.
- travismark 2y ago
  or Evan Gershkovich. St Pete was a wonderful city to visit before the 2014 invasion, now I think it's too risky
- swozey 2y ago
  Oh yeah I know all about our people over there. Not a chance I'd go post 2014 unless a revolution happens. They're all sad stories but there's a ballerina who lived in California for decades and was a US citizen (If you were ever Russian, Russia doesn't recognize your new state, you're always Russian) who was arrested last year when visiting I believe a grandma. Her charge was that she donated $25 to a Ukranian refugee fund. She had a few articles last year but not much keeping her in the news. She's going to have a tough time being an immigrant from Russia who donated to Ukraine. I don't think she has a chance of getting out and the women penal colonies like IK-14 are essentially slave factories. The Ukraine war has taught me a lot about how Russia treats peope, especially women. Field Wives, et al. Now they're releasing female prisoners to Storm Z groups to go to the front line. https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/world-news/ksenia-karelinas-letter-reveals-conditions-in-russian-prison/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/world-news/ksenia-karelinas-le... https://www.rferl.org/a/notorious-russian-women-s-prison-hell-tolokonnikova-mordovia-ik-14/29788168.html https://www.rferl.org/a/notorious-russian-women-s-prison-hel...

starik36 2y ago

There are tons of foreigners in Armenia from all over. Including a metric ton of Russians who don't want to be drafted.

type0 2y ago

> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 except you'll be on occupied territory and will be breaking Ukrainian law, you might get a prison sentence if you ever go to Ukraine again

krick 2y ago
How would they ever know if you won't outright tell them yourself (like being a famous person an posting your itinerary on the instagram)? They'll see you've been to Russia, if you use the same passport for both visas, which may be frowned upon right now, but not illegal. But which Russian cities you've been to (and de-facto Mariupol is just that right now) — who the hell knows?
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Plenty of people have two passports for this reason. Lots of things in immigration require you to honestly self-report and have no mechanism to validate at the point-of-entry. For instance, many countries without visa requirements will still ask about criminal records in your native country, but have no access to the data to verify if you tell them you've never even had a parking ticket. But if you get caught later down the line, then they are going to use your lies to make life very hard for you.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - snmx999 2y ago
    Using two passports is not always the solution. As a dual citizen of two countries, I also have two passports. A couple of years ago I travelled to Malta with the passport from the country I currently live in. One week later I flew over to Israel, where I used the passport of my birth country. I was extensively interrogated at the border, because apparently the system flagged me to the border officer as there was no record of me entering Malta with the passport I attempted to leave the country with.

pound 2y ago

BelArus

teractiveodular 2y ago
It's Белоруссия (Byelorussia) in Russian, although Belarusians are not terribly fond of the name.

qingcharles 2y ago

> Traveling to Mariupol as a tourist is the real deal in 2024 And order a Chicken Kiev when you arrive!

ogurechny 2y ago

On the contrary, if you pretend to be an idiot, and ask some Russian government-affiliated NGO “helping Donbass” if you can have a look yourself to be “free from Western propaganda”, I am sure they can pretend to get some positive publicity that way, and add you to this or that group of journalists and government officials who are shown Potemkin reconstruction (on a guided tour in presence of totally not plainclothes agents). But I don't see any point in doing that. If you follow the timeless advice of Egor Letov, and read some North Korean or Soviet books, you would know everything that is going to be said. Why waste time watching someone perform the stupid play?