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> Would you then say that other people not being happy in a concentration camp is their problem because they couldn't do the same thing? Yes, absolutely. And o

> Would you then say that other people not being happy in a concentration camp is their problem because they couldn't do the same thing? Yes, absolutely. And of course I'm not saying that concentration camps are any good or anything like that. This logic may seem strange because in external situations what one person can do another can not do simply because of different capabilities. But when it comes to internal experiences, if you had even 1 moment of happiness in your life that means you are able to create that experience. You just didn't unravel the mechanics of it, but some people did and by my own experience I can confirm that its possible to have inner experience be whatever you want independent of the outside conditions.

vouaobrasil 2y ago
I do understand that, it's an interesting point of view. I appreciate it as I meditate. And there is something to it for sure. Your statement is certainly incontrovertible. I suppose it is better to separate the creation of happiness independent of current conditions from other variables.
- mapcars 2y ago
  Just to clarify - meditation means many things, we have 1 word in English but in Eastern culture there is a dozen or more different practices. What they found out (seemingly very long time ago) is essentially that human experience happens from within. There are external situations which may stimulate that, but in the end it always happens from within. This is very easy to observe in people from different cultures/backgrounds having completely different responses to the same exact situation. If that is established the next question is how do I create the experience I want? And what I want for myself is of course the utmost pleasantness. So they figured out many different methods, strange and exotic, but the important thing is they are working. I did try a few of them and one did work in a huge way so I feel that I must speak up when people discuss such vital topics like happiness in primitive terms of "money make people happy", "freedom makes people happy", "family makes people happy" etc.

vouaobrasil 2y ago

I do understand that, it's an interesting point of view. I appreciate it as I meditate. And there is something to it for sure. Your statement is certainly incontrovertible. I suppose it is better to separate the creation of happiness independent of current conditions from other variables.

mapcars 2y ago
Just to clarify - meditation means many things, we have 1 word in English but in Eastern culture there is a dozen or more different practices. What they found out (seemingly very long time ago) is essentially that human experience happens from within. There are external situations which may stimulate that, but in the end it always happens from within. This is very easy to observe in people from different cultures/backgrounds having completely different responses to the same exact situation. If that is established the next question is how do I create the experience I want? And what I want for myself is of course the utmost pleasantness. So they figured out many different methods, strange and exotic, but the important thing is they are working. I did try a few of them and one did work in a huge way so I feel that I must speak up when people discuss such vital topics like happiness in primitive terms of "money make people happy", "freedom makes people happy", "family makes people happy" etc.