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It's because many natural alternatives to meat or dairy don't taste the same or necessarily as good as what they are replacing. We need something that is more

by ilaksh 2y ago

It's because many natural alternatives to meat or dairy don't taste the same or necessarily as good as what they are replacing. We need something that is more equivalent to convince large numbers of people to switch. Bovine agriculture on a commercial scale is unsustainable and cruel. The only way totally natural old fashioned options that might be less cruel could work is if only a very small portion of the population has access to them. Some people seriously would like to see 90% of the human population killed off and to regress to a largely pre-industrial system. In my opinion, this is a very ignorant idea.

EricE 2y ago
>Bovine agriculture on a commercial scale is unsustainable Seriously? Based on what? Cows can process plant matter we can't. Plant matter that takes FAR less resources to grow than plant matter we can digest.
- nanomonkey 2y ago
  Grass fed beef maybe, but the majority of cows are being fed grain, broken potato chips, and soy...all of which are suitable for human consumption. Even taking into account what cows can consume, the organic matter would be better used growing mushroom or other fungi that can produce the same enzymes that break down the cell walls that the microbes in the guts of the cows are using.
  - fakedang 2y ago
    That seems to be a problem with crop surpluses and grazing land shortages. And government subsidies, can't forget those can we? I for one was extremely surprised to learn that hay, dried plant matter, is universally expensive from California to Calcutta.
- ilaksh 2y ago
  https://sentientmedia.org/cattle-farming/ https://sentientmedia.org/cattle-farming/
JohnFen 2y ago
> We need something that is more equivalent to convince large numbers of people to switch. Maybe? I have a friend who went from being a heavy meat-eater to vegan, for health reasons rather than ethical/environmental ones. He really struggled with making the change until he stopped using meat substitutes and making meat-free versions of meat-based dishes. Once he did that, he found that the food was actually delicious in its own right, and no longer felt that he was sacrificing anything. The lesson I took from that is that whatever your diet consists of, it's a mistake to try to make it resemble a different sort of diet. Embrace it on its own terms.

by ilaksh 2y ago

EricE 2y ago

>Bovine agriculture on a commercial scale is unsustainable Seriously? Based on what? Cows can process plant matter we can't. Plant matter that takes FAR less resources to grow than plant matter we can digest.

nanomonkey 2y ago
Grass fed beef maybe, but the majority of cows are being fed grain, broken potato chips, and soy...all of which are suitable for human consumption. Even taking into account what cows can consume, the organic matter would be better used growing mushroom or other fungi that can produce the same enzymes that break down the cell walls that the microbes in the guts of the cows are using.
- fakedang 2y ago
  That seems to be a problem with crop surpluses and grazing land shortages. And government subsidies, can't forget those can we? I for one was extremely surprised to learn that hay, dried plant matter, is universally expensive from California to Calcutta.
ilaksh 2y ago
https://sentientmedia.org/cattle-farming/ https://sentientmedia.org/cattle-farming/

JohnFen 2y ago

> We need something that is more equivalent to convince large numbers of people to switch. Maybe? I have a friend who went from being a heavy meat-eater to vegan, for health reasons rather than ethical/environmental ones. He really struggled with making the change until he stopped using meat substitutes and making meat-free versions of meat-based dishes. Once he did that, he found that the food was actually delicious in its own right, and no longer felt that he was sacrificing anything. The lesson I took from that is that whatever your diet consists of, it's a mistake to try to make it resemble a different sort of diet. Embrace it on its own terms.