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A rare Stratospheric Warming event has begun over the South Pole

28 points by drawkward 2y ago

hm-nah 2y ago
This site is full of ads and typos. There has to be a more authoritative source.
- FloorEgg 2y ago
  Yeah the ads were too much...
  - jjulius 2y ago
    Found the folk who don't use adblockers.
    - fredski42 2y ago
      Or who do not use reader mode, which works perfectly here.
- pshc 2y ago
  Seems my ad blocker is doing its job, I saw like a dozen diagrams and no ads. Maybe try https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sudden-stratospheric-warming-event-underway-here-s-what-it-means-for-australian-weather/1889631 https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sudden-stratospheric-war...
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- kilpikaarna 2y ago
  It's a very bizarre site, with the ads and rambling text, but I've always found that it has very good info on things like polar vortex formation/breakdown and summer heatwaves, and pretty accurate longer term (up to a few months ahead, say) forecasts. You never feel like linking any of the articles to anyone though, because it feels like a spam blog. Very strange.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    > I've always found that it has very good info You've heard of this site before? Or are you affiliated with it?
    - kilpikaarna 2y ago
      It's been linked on HN before
- doodlebugging 2y ago
  I use the latest Firefox (115.13.0 esr) on a Win7 Pro desktop with uBlock Origin. I don't see any ads at all. The text appears to adequately describe the diagrams referenced. I found it to be readable. They make a forecast based on their observations and support that using analogies from recent historic data. Basically, this could spin up a situation like we had here in Texas back in 2021 where we had a long-duration cold spell. From experience, it was not as fun as that sounds. Or maybe I'm tired and it only seems to make sense because I'm not thinking clearly at this late hour.
fumeux_fume 2y ago
Appears to be 100% computer generated text saying nothing over the course of thousands of words except there's a polar vortex and we should all be very fearful of it although there is no indication of what that might be. Cool, I still can't downvote this crap but bots have no problem posting it to the front page.
- drawkward 2y ago
  I am sorry that you didnt like my post. I did not find it to inspire fear, but with reasonable visualization of upper-atmosphere weather, I thought it would be technically interesting to the readers of this site. Not eveything you don't personally like is propaganda or psyops. Also, I'm not a bot.
ldayley 2y ago
A more information-dense post with some background [edit: …background on the phenomenon and its significance to climate and weather forecasting] from the U.S. National Weather Service: https://www.weather.gov/bis/sudden_stratospheric_warming_events https://www.weather.gov/bis/sudden_stratospheric_warming_eve...
- sonofhans 2y ago
  And that uses as its source a 2023 blog post — https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/disrupted-polar-vortex-brings-sudden-stratospheric-warming-february https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/disrupte... This is interesting, but ancient history, and the article is clearly spam.
  - jjulius 2y ago
    I vouched for this comment, because I feel it's imperative that someone tells you why you are wrong. That blog post you reference isn't a "source", but a "helpful link" to a post about a past event that will, hopefully, help people better understand the stratospheric warming event that is happening now.
jokoon 2y ago
I imagine the CIA is analyzing the climate, although they don't publish their analysis, since their role is just to advise Congress and white house? I really believe that climate change can threaten global stability and security, and thus the military should be interested in learning about it to anticipate. I guess they already know, but maybe there is just no gain in letting the public know about those dangers. India and Brazil are two countries that will probably see a lot of nasty heatwaves and climate refugees. Soon or later, the climate will have real economic and geopolitical effect, and that's when things turn from worrying to interesting.
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- nickff 2y ago
  >”I really believe that climate change can threaten global stability and security, and thus the military should be interested in learning about it to anticipate.” Both the CIA and DoD have published a great deal of information about the potential military and related geopolitical consequences of climate change, over at least the past decade.
  - jokoon 2y ago
    Really? I haven't seen a lot of it... I don't see how those reports are not talked about more, and I would be curious what's their predictions are... I would guess india is at the top of the list? I imagine people would listen more to the CIA and DOD than scientists.
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28 points by drawkward 2y ago

hm-nah 2y ago

This site is full of ads and typos. There has to be a more authoritative source.

FloorEgg 2y ago
Yeah the ads were too much...
- jjulius 2y ago
  Found the folk who don't use adblockers.
  - fredski42 2y ago
    Or who do not use reader mode, which works perfectly here.
pshc 2y ago
Seems my ad blocker is doing its job, I saw like a dozen diagrams and no ads. Maybe try https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sudden-stratospheric-warming-event-underway-here-s-what-it-means-for-australian-weather/1889631 https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sudden-stratospheric-war...
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kilpikaarna 2y ago
It's a very bizarre site, with the ads and rambling text, but I've always found that it has very good info on things like polar vortex formation/breakdown and summer heatwaves, and pretty accurate longer term (up to a few months ahead, say) forecasts. You never feel like linking any of the articles to anyone though, because it feels like a spam blog. Very strange.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  > I've always found that it has very good info You've heard of this site before? Or are you affiliated with it?
  - kilpikaarna 2y ago
    It's been linked on HN before
doodlebugging 2y ago
I use the latest Firefox (115.13.0 esr) on a Win7 Pro desktop with uBlock Origin. I don't see any ads at all. The text appears to adequately describe the diagrams referenced. I found it to be readable. They make a forecast based on their observations and support that using analogies from recent historic data. Basically, this could spin up a situation like we had here in Texas back in 2021 where we had a long-duration cold spell. From experience, it was not as fun as that sounds. Or maybe I'm tired and it only seems to make sense because I'm not thinking clearly at this late hour.

fumeux_fume 2y ago

Appears to be 100% computer generated text saying nothing over the course of thousands of words except there's a polar vortex and we should all be very fearful of it although there is no indication of what that might be. Cool, I still can't downvote this crap but bots have no problem posting it to the front page.

drawkward 2y ago
I am sorry that you didnt like my post. I did not find it to inspire fear, but with reasonable visualization of upper-atmosphere weather, I thought it would be technically interesting to the readers of this site. Not eveything you don't personally like is propaganda or psyops. Also, I'm not a bot.

ldayley 2y ago

A more information-dense post with some background [edit: …background on the phenomenon and its significance to climate and weather forecasting] from the U.S. National Weather Service: https://www.weather.gov/bis/sudden_stratospheric_warming_events https://www.weather.gov/bis/sudden_stratospheric_warming_eve...

sonofhans 2y ago
And that uses as its source a 2023 blog post — https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/disrupted-polar-vortex-brings-sudden-stratospheric-warming-february https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/disrupte... This is interesting, but ancient history, and the article is clearly spam.
- jjulius 2y ago
  I vouched for this comment, because I feel it's imperative that someone tells you why you are wrong. That blog post you reference isn't a "source", but a "helpful link" to a post about a past event that will, hopefully, help people better understand the stratospheric warming event that is happening now.

jokoon 2y ago

I imagine the CIA is analyzing the climate, although they don't publish their analysis, since their role is just to advise Congress and white house? I really believe that climate change can threaten global stability and security, and thus the military should be interested in learning about it to anticipate. I guess they already know, but maybe there is just no gain in letting the public know about those dangers. India and Brazil are two countries that will probably see a lot of nasty heatwaves and climate refugees. Soon or later, the climate will have real economic and geopolitical effect, and that's when things turn from worrying to interesting.

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nickff 2y ago
>”I really believe that climate change can threaten global stability and security, and thus the military should be interested in learning about it to anticipate.” Both the CIA and DoD have published a great deal of information about the potential military and related geopolitical consequences of climate change, over at least the past decade.
- jokoon 2y ago
  Really? I haven't seen a lot of it... I don't see how those reports are not talked about more, and I would be curious what's their predictions are... I would guess india is at the top of the list? I imagine people would listen more to the CIA and DOD than scientists.

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