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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge
- SeoxyS 14y agoLooks like I'll have to be heading to the Apple store after the keynote is over... Edit: I'm curious, why the downvotes?
- Turbots 14y agoFunny how they are 'Updating the Apple store'... As if they couldn't do this behind the screens... Big attempt to overhype their already overhyped products.. Losers! edit: typo
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- ceejayoz 14y agoWhere you'll be told "come back another day"?
- marknutter 14y agoProbably because it didn't add much to the discussion, which is actually what down-voting is technically supposed to be used for. Makes sense, I wouldn't want this comment to be up towards the top - it's just you saying you want to buy a MBP.
- breckinloggins 14y agoThis may sound weird, but I'm most curious to see how the terminal looks on a retina display (when Apple or someone like iTerm makes one for it). I think having paper-resolution monospaced fonts will be awesome.
- flixic 14y agoI know that true hackers don't anti-alias monotype fonts, but I have been using anti-aliased Consolas for a few years now. It is a font best-designed coding books use (http://www.abookapart.com/ http://www.abookapart.com/), and it should only look better, not worse, on print-like display.
- dasil003 14y ago> I know that true hackers don't anti-alias monotype fonts That may be true, but they're going to need a monocle if they want to see 9-pt courier at native resolution on one of these bad boys.
- nickheer 14y agoThe system will upscale it to the same physical height by doubling the pixel size of it. No monocle needed (though highly recommended for its long-lasting style).
- skeletonjelly 14y agoIt was basically designed for Visual Studio 2010 to use ClearType anti-aliasing yeah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolas
- icegreentea 14y agoShould clear this up. There is an updated MacBook Air line (11" and 13"). There is an updated MacBook Pro line (13" and 15" with 'normal' screen, same chassis and updated internals). And then there is a new 15" MacBook Pro with a 2880 x 1800 screen and is 0.71" thick. I like to dub this one the MacBook Pro Air.
- orbitingpluto 14y agoThanks for adding that. As I understand, the "Retina display" label takes into account the recommended viewing distance from the display. An iPhone display will be held much closer than someone (with proper posture) at a laptop.
- megablast 14y agoSo the Air do not have the retina display? The 15" pro would be good, but can not go back to a mechanical hdd.
- aiscott 14y agoIt's flash based, up to 768GB.
- jmelloy 14y agoThe 15" Pro with the retina display is SSD.
- megablast 14y agoJust read that as well, which makes it a very valid option. Would be great to develop on a screen like this.
- mtgx 14y agoNo, but if you want you can get 11" or 13" ultrabook from Asus with a 1080p resolution.
- cpr 14y ago
- saturdaysaint 14y agoAs a 2011 MacBook Air user, my biggest envy is USB 3.0. Thunderbolt accessories have been few and far between, and then priced at an exorbitant premium. But hey, they finally made a Thunderbolt Firewire adapter cable.
- notatoad 14y agoUSB 3 accessories are pretty far and few between too, aren't they? What do you actually want to plug in to that port?
- adrianhoward 14y agoMy external hard drive :-) I throw a lot of data around. I like backups. The difference between USB2 and USB3 will be non-trivial for me.
- jsz0 14y agoSeagate has a $99 ThunderBolt dock available but figure an extra $50 for a cable to go with it. It's designed for their GoFlex enclosures but I think it works fine with a bare drive too.
- pbrumm 14y agocheap extra hard drive dock would be first http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-ST0022U-Plastic-Docking-Station/dp/B0051U1XMS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1339441123&sr=8-4 http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-ST0022U-Plastic-Docking-St... all the thunderbolt ones are very expensive.
- jarek 14y agoNot sure I'd use a Thermaltake product with mixed reviews as an example here...
- geori 14y agoI sure am glad that I bought a 2 TB USB 3.0 last year before I had anything with USB 3.0 ports!
- natural219 14y agoI have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.
- danieldk 14y agoWhy? I have been using a Mac since 2007. So far, I haven't seen anything spectacular in this keynote except for the retina display. But $2199 (probably 2199 Euro in Europe) is a steep price. Edit: Given the lack of real interesting updates in OS X since Leopard and recent iOS versions, I am actually quite interested in Windows 8 and Windows Phone after ~18 years of using Unix-like operating systems and ~5.5 years a Mac.
- prezjordan 14y agoProbably just got pushed over the edge.
- gurkendoktor 14y agoI thought 10.6 was so-so - I preferred Leopard's Exposé. I hate 10.7. But 10.8 makes sense again, especially now that 3rd-party apps are catching up with the concepts of 10.7.
- pkamb 14y agoFYI, you can use Leopard's Exposé in Snow Leopard: http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-snow-leopard-for-mac http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-... I really miss "all windows" Exposé; Mission Control is not a worthy replacement. Any word on Exposé changes in 10.8?
- fratis 14y agoFor me, it's really Spaces whose usefulness was diminished in 10.7. They used to be configurable in multiple dimensions (i.e., X & Y): now they're linear only. Lame city.
- jacobr 14y agoI wonder what Ubuntu would look like on a retina display.
- LaSombra 14y agoI don't want a "Retina display", I want a true 1920x1080 on my 15" MBP. Apple is trying to impose that density is the same thing as resolution, which is not. A "Retina display" of 2880x1800 is just a "better" 1440x900. Give me the option to choose between double pixels and real pixels and I'll buy thee.
- tcox 14y agoPresumably you'll have that option? Can't see why not. I'm guessing there'll be an option in the Display control panel.
- jonknee 14y agoBeing a non-native resolution, it would look awful.
- tcox 14y agoUsing it at its native 2880x1800 resolution would be great though. Possibly hard to read, but I'd love to see it.
- rcgs 14y agoIt would be native, it'd be 1:1.
- jonknee 14y agoNo, there are 2880x1800 pixels. If you want to use the full screen to show 1920x1080, you are non-native and the math doesn't even out since there aren't half pixels. Now if they had gone 3840x2160...
- kstrauser 14y agoScaling to 800x600 on a 1024x768 screen looks awful. I'm not sure that scaling a 2880x1800 screen to 1920x1080 is going be distinguishable from native resolution for anyone with eyes more than 15 years old.
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- hack_edu 14y agoDo any employees know whether or not the new MacBooks are available at retail locations today? edit: Apple Store Berkeley says no.
- scorpion032 14y agoSurely available in the downtown SF Apple store. Exhibit A: http://instagr.am/p/LvfFx3CPKI/ http://instagr.am/p/LvfFx3CPKI/
- barmstrong 14y agoPalo Alto store says no, and no idea when they will be getting in. You can buy them online though.
- Lewisham 14y agoApple Store Monterey had no idea, but not today. "We'll know more in a couple of days. We might have them by the end of the week." I ordered online.
- untog 14y agoOnce you go Air, you never go back. And this year's Air announcement (like last year's) is pretty 'meh', so I'll be keeping with my old faithful 2010 Air for the time being. The retina displays are fantastic, but as a web dev I'm already dreading the merry havoc it's going to wreak with images on web pages. On a wider note, I feel myself... drifting away from all of this. In previous years I would have been all over WWDC live blogs and so on- this year I'm already fed up with my Twitter stream being filled with it, and am dreading the Hacker News front page being liberally coated with Apple. I am happy to just read the post-game analysis after the fact. Reality Distortion Field Fatigue, perhaps?
- sciurus 14y agoThe option of 8GB of RAM is nice, since the RAM isn't upgradable.
- rdl 14y ago2010 Air did t have AES-NI either, which made FileVault slow. 2011 MBA just lacks 8gb; I think I will be sticking with mine since I do my heavy VM work on another machine. Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though.
- stock_toaster 14y agoIntegrated gigabit. There is apparently going to be a thunderbolt gigabit ethernet dongle, and thunderbolt can actually support gigabit speeds.
- jiggy2011 14y agoSo, what is the effective resolution of the MBP now?
- sciurus 14y ago1440x900, or an optional 1680x1050.
- ryanjodonnell 14y agowhere do you see the 1680x1050 option?
- wmf 14y agoThat's the old non-retina MBP. Edit: Apparently you can configure the retina MBP in scaled 1680 mode; I'm not sure how sharp that will be.
- wmf 14y ago1440x900, same as the old "low res" screen.
- maximilian 14y agoI was going to say this, but I would say its slightly better because the "effective" pixels are sharper -- You could probably run a text editor with a smaller font and still feel comfortable.
- Watabou 14y agoThe retina display is 2880 x 1800 resolution.
- 51Cards 14y agoI have a true 1080P on my 13.3" Vaio Z notebook which I run at the full 1920x1080. I would stick with that over this new MB screen. It's all about effective resolution when you are trying to get things done and that hasn't changed on the MB.
- phamilton 14y agoI'm curious about Magsafe2. As a student, knowing that 20% of students on campus (those with Apple computers) use the same charger as me, I find it really easy to borrow a cable for 20 minutes to get charged up for class. I'm guessing Magsafe2 isn't compatible with traditional magsafe.
- ropiku 14y agoUpdate: It's not but they sell a $9.99 adapter "The MagSafe to MagSafe 2 Converter allows you to use the MagSafe connector on your LED Cinema Display, Thunderbolt Display, or MagSafe Power Adapter to charge your MagSafe 2-equipped Mac computer." It looks and I would guess it would be magsafe 1 compatible. Maybe it has extra features or power to it. Pretty much any MB* can be charged on any power adapter albeit slower (or not at all if heavily using it).
- wahnfrieden 14y agoIt's thinner than Magsafe1, so no. Time to buy all new power adapters!
- jarek 14y agoMagsafe is six years old, so I'm willing to cut Apple a break on that one.
- alexanderh 14y agoNope, you need a "Apple MagSafe to MagSafe 2 Converter"
- sycren 14y agoIm wondering if it charges faster, the keynote only mentions that it is thinner..
- booticon 14y agoThis converter just came up in the store: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD504ZM/A http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD504ZM/A?
- pclark 14y agoall I want is 3g on laptops
- eli 14y agoSo like built-in cell data? My Thinkpad from 5 years ago had that. Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to find.
- swalsh 14y agoI'm sure as LTE gets going, you'll see 4g built in. I would bet you could fit 4 antennas in one. Which would give you some amazing throughput in a 4x8 MIMO setup. Of course the interference from the computer might cause a lot of issues?
- dangrossman 14y agoThere's no technology problem waiting to be solved. Laptop manufacturers could build in LTE chipsets today if they wanted to. The issue is that no cell carrier wants them to; it would create demand they're not prepared to meet. The current trend is just the opposite -- to lower monthly limits and increase prices for 4G data services. Creating more demand would just lead to cities where there are more people connected than the towers can handle.
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- nextstep 14y agoI can't find any details regarding the existence of an optical drive on the new MacBook Pro. Has it been removed? Also, does anyone know how MagSafe2 differs from MagSafe?
- dsl 14y agoWe are all watching the same live blogging as you. Anyone who would know (an Apple employee) isn't going to comment publicly today.
- pkamb 14y agoOptical drive has gone the way of the floppy on the "next generation" MacBook Pro. It's still there on the "old" MacBook Pros that just got a spec bump today.
- jemeshsu 14y agoNot so sure about the updated MacBook Pro as the spec sheet does not list a optical drive. So it might also be gone.
- cpr 14y agoMagSafe2 is just thinner, not electrically different.
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- petedoyle 14y agoI'm really hoping it can drive three external monitors... Looks somewhat promising: * Two Thunderbolt[/DisplayPort?] ports * One HDMI port * A Geforce 650M (capable of driving 4 active displays [1]). [1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.... EDIT: "Up to two external displays" (thanks dsirijus)
- r00fus 14y agoIf you are hacking or doing office work (and not gaming), you can easily support an additional 1080p monitor over USB2 using DisplayLink tech. I did it in a former life using a 13" MBP and over a Belkin USB2 hub, even with no glitches. With USB3 now, you could probably run several. I bet you could get 4 HD monitors easy.
- dsirijus 14y ago"Up to two external displays." http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/
- veemjeem 14y ago2 external displays at the full thunderbolt display (2560 x 1600) resolution. I'm betting you could do more displays if the resolution is lower, however I don't think you can buy external displays with lower resolution that use the thunderbolt port.
- MichaelGG 14y ago1080p @ 32bpps is 8MB/frame. That's 7FPS max, so anything that moves a lot of pixels is totally out of the question. Even with just Visual Studio and normal office usage, I found it very frustrating using a 1080p screen over USB. Very choppy and annoying.
- bangbang 14y agoNo Ethernet??
- h1bsearch 14y agoApple Inc's Salary report for H1B and Green Card Filings http://www.visasquare.com/visa-greencard/salary/apple-inc-206108.html http://www.visasquare.com/visa-greencard/salary/apple-inc-20...
- slig 14y agoFinally they removed the DVD driver.
- mtrn 14y agoYes, I barely used it. The only thing I used the bay for was a secondary 1TB disk alongside with a primary SSD - which makes a good combination for data intensive development. Guess this option is now gone as well ...
- aes256 14y agoAs someone who appreciated the DVD drive because it could be removed and the space/connector used to install a second 2.5" hard drive, I see the removal of the DVD drive altogether as a negative. This combined with on-board RAM and on-board SSD storage... are any of the components in these new retina display MacBook Pros replaceable?
- soc88 14y agoI guess the “Retina Display” is the admission that they never figured out how to do decent font rendering?
- ceejayoz 14y agoYou really think "fonts look better" is the main selling point for the Retina displays?
- scott_s 14y agoWell, it was for me. I held off on the iPad until an iPad 3. After using an iPhone 4, when I picked up an iPad 1 or 2, I saw pixels everywhere. The main thing I use my iPad for is reading. I guessed that would be the case, so I held off on getting one until it had a high-resolution display that could display text without visible pixels.
- lbotos 14y agoI wouldn't say the main selling point but It's important. What do we use computers for? Reading and consuming media. Most media isn't "HD" yet but nothing is holding our written word from being rendered better.
- streptomycin 14y agoThey talk about the retina display making fonts better in the video on the MacBook Pro website: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/
- scott_s 14y agoApple and Microsoft have different philosophies on what is important when rendering fonts: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-respecting-the-pixel-grid.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-resp...
- soc88 14y agoTwo extremes don't make it right.
- _stephan 14y agoWill you be able to configure different DPI settings per monitor on OSX, or will there be some iOS-like implicit 2x scale on retina displays? Otherwise this MacBook might be somewhat awkward to use with a non-"retina" external monitor...
- xbryanx 14y agoWill you still be able to order a MacBook with the matte display? Or does the retina display preclude this? I hate the glossy screen and was happy to pay extra for matte on my current MacBook.
- dochtman 14y agoThey're saying they did something to the glass to make it less reflective.
- forgetcolor 14y agothat's kind of like saying i did something to my turds to make them less smelly. may be true, but i still don't want to hang out with one.
- bitcrusher 14y agoYou can, but not with the Retina display. Shame, I am quite in love with my current matte screen.
- sciurus 14y agoI think the comparisons to the Macbook Air are misleading. At least for me, the distinct appeal of the Macbook Air is that it's light; either 2.38 or 2.96 pounds. The new model Macbook Pro may be a great laptop in many ways, but at 4.46 pounds it's not light. I'm going to notice that in my messenger bag to a much greater extent than I would an Air.
- pivo 14y agoI'm kind of amazed that the pro is only that much heavier than the air. It feels like it's like it's at least twice as heavy.
- pbrumm 14y agoHopefully the macbook pro with retina display supports 16gb of ram. Everything else sounds amazing, but being limited to 8gb of ram for another few years is going to hold me back.
- rimantas 14y agoIt does.
- shadesandcolour 14y agoThe 2011 MacBook pros can handle 16 GB of RAM as well. It's not stated in the manual but if you put two 8 GB sticks in there it'll run just fine. I did it last month.
- grecy 14y agoThe question right now is if the RAM is upgradable or soldered to the board a la the Air...
- neilc 14y agoPer http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/apple-introduces-next-generation-macbook-pro-with-15-4-retina-display-starts-at-2199/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/apple-introduces-next-ge... , "up to 16GB of MacBook Air-like non-upgradable 1600MHz RAM."
- neilparikh 14y agoOn the online apple store, the retina MBP is upgradable to 16GB of ram for $200.
- pimentel 14y agoNo builtin ethernet? My router at home doesn't allow wireless access to the admin.interface. I like my ethernet from time to time...
- tibbon 14y agoPerhaps I'm the only one, but I'm really waiting and praying for a new Mac Pro system and 30" Retina displays. Its been since 2010 for an update on the Mac Pro. Currently, I can't fathom why anyone would purchase them given the price. But the laptops have never felt capable enough for fulltime use for HD video editing (or 2K or 4K...) Unless there's a "just one more thing" with these, it seems that the Mac Pro appears more and more dead.
- anteater 14y agoThat's why you build your own. http://tonymacx86.com/ http://tonymacx86.com/. Twice the power that Apple provides for half the price. Stability is not compromised, just the Apple tower design.
- smparkes 14y agoVery minor bump: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078180/apple-incrementally-updates-mac-pro-desktop-for-2012 http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078180/apple-incrementall...
- JackC 14y agoI know a dude who's done fulltime HD video editing with a MacBook Pro for years. Not 2K or 4K though. Out of curiosity, have you tried editing video with a top-of-the-line MBP and been frustrated? For special effects/render-heavy stuff I know you can never have enough cycles, but for typical editing I'd be surprised to hear that recent laptops cause much of a bottleneck.
- tibbon 14y agoCurrently here are my bottlenecks in HD editing on my mid 2011 MBP (which I have a LaCie Firewire 800 raid 1 hooked to). 1- The transcode from h.264 (what my D7000 outputs) to Prores 2- Transitions, overlays and basic comp'ing effects 3- Export from FCP 4- Transcoding from Prores to h.264 again The editing itself, no, it isn't that bad really anymore. On my old Macbook Pro (2009 model?) it was pretty hard still. Yet, everything surrounding the render is just terrible. I feel that with a 16/32 core Mac Pro, 64GB+ of RAM that that many of these problems would go away. I saw where someone had built a Hackintosh the other day that was 16/32 cores and 128GB RAM... which is very tempting currently.
- goatslacker 14y agoWas anyone else expecting a Macbook Air 15" with Retina display?
- its_so_on 14y agoby removing the hard-drive in lieu of flash and removing the media drive, that's exactly what they've just given you, wouldn't you say? (but with real graphics card so you can actually do something with that beautiful display other than watch HD content stutter. and quad core i7.) granted its not an air, but - are you sure you want one?
- justincormack 14y agoI imagine it needs the memory bandwidth of a real card with dedicated RAM to even just composite windows fast, so the air is not an option. This has the benefit of making a bigger difference between the two lines again too, although the 13 inch looks a weak offering now.
- its_so_on 14y agobut there is a "15 inch air" from samsung, http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/09/15-inch-samsung-series-9-review-2012/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/09/15-inch-samsung-series-9-... , which is along the lines the parent must have been thinking of. I think the 15 inch macbook as just announced is a far better option, with a single weak point (7 hrs) compared to an air-style form factor which would be weaker at everything - except weight and slightly thinner form factor. basically, if all someone wants to do is type on it and not have to think about carrying it with them or not (e.g. a reporter for stories, student for essays, CEO for emails), a 15 inch air was not announced today. for everyone else, what was just announced is better than the 15 inch air.
- goatslacker 14y agoDidn't know about the Samsung Series 9. Thanks for the tip!
- mgkimsal 14y agoIs the line in port gone? Having line in and headphones out has been great for my use cases, and I was sad to see those go from the 13". Are they gone across the board now?
- randomdrake 14y agoThe 15" still has the line in. The 13" does not.
- shadesandcolour 14y agoThe line in ports may have been combined with the headphone jack. I thought I remembered reading about that somewhere.
- mgkimsal 14y agoOn 13" they were about 2 years ago. Still on 15" and 17" models, and from the other response, it sounds like they still are there.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoThe Macs are awesome and I can't wait to throw down and replace my MBP, but I'm going to be nauseous from my iOS friends trying to rub iOS features in my face. Congratulations, Android users had that for years, or even a year.
- angerman 14y agoI want one of those new shiny MacBook Air Pros! :) Seriously Apple, why not name them like that?
- guywithabike 14y agoBecause that's confusing as hell.
- bratsche 14y agoI'm curious to know how Mac handles apps moving between a Retina Display Mac and a non-Retina display (Thunderbolt, whatever). Apps need to be updated to handle retina, otherwise they draw double pixels.. so what happens when you have a window that's halfway between a Retina and non-Retina? My two guesses: 1. The entire window draws as doubled pixels, as if it didn't support Retina at all 2. The window gets two separate paint events, one retina and one non-retina. Anyone know how this works yet?
- manmal 14y agoI'm pretty sure that the drawing system emulates the x2 resolution boost introduced in iOS devices - apps will draw in points, and 1pt = 2px for a retina Macbook. Switching between 1x and 2x drawing should be seamless - one exception being that images would have to be reloaded when going from 1x to 2x.
- speleding 14y agoI don't think apps need to be updated, the OS will just send two separate screen redraws to the app. If you put a window half on an 8-bit color screen and half on a 16-bit color screen it works fine too, I don't see why this would be different.
- mstange 14y ago1 happens, as long as the bigger part of the window is on the non-Retina display. If the bigger part of the window is on the Retina display, the window only gets a Retina paint event and the non-Retina display shows a downscaled version. Source: manual testing under 10.7.4 with HiDPI resolutions activated using QuartzDebug
- creativityhurts 14y agoThe new Macbook Pro landing page is out http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/
- GR8K 14y agoBelkin & Matrox are coming out with Thunderbolt docks: Belkin http://www.belkin.com/thunderbolt/ http://www.belkin.com/thunderbolt/ Matrox http://www.matrox.com/docking_station/en/ds1/ http://www.matrox.com/docking_station/en/ds1/
- ajasmin 14y agoIt takes a lot of 99¢ app sales to afford one of those new laptops. If you're in the app selling business.
- _frog 14y ago3,174 sales to be exact.
- electrograv 14y agoThis may be a bit off-topic, but I have to wonder why I see laptop screens with much higher resolution than desktop monitors. It just seems so backwards (in terms of practical use) that as screen size increases, the screen resolution seems to decrease. So now in many ways most desktop rigs are inferior to a 15" laptop as far as productivity goes. My intuition for the cause, is that the more surface area of the screen, the harder it is to consistently manufacture the panels without defects. But I'm not convinced because I'd imagine such incredibly high resolutions on laptop panels must be pretty demanding technology as well. I just want 2880x1880 30" monitors for my office :)
- jarek 14y agoI don't think that really holds. I had a cheap 2048x1152 23" monitor in 2009. Excepting very rare 2048x1536 15" laptop displays, it was comparable in pixel count to the previously-top 1920x1200 laptop resolution. The iMacs have had a 2560x1440 27" option since 2009 and I'd expect the next update to go higher. There have been 2560x1440 or similar 30" displays for a while, my boss was using one in early 2009 or so, 2880x1880 or higher can't be far off. Since you're comparing with "most desktop rigs", you should also remember that most 15" laptops are 1280x800 or 1440x900.
- orangecat 14y agoyou should also remember that most 15" laptops are 1280x800 or 1440x900. Today, most are the appalling 1366x768. I have to give Apple major points for sticking with decent resolutions and 16:10.
- jarek 14y agoI love when this gets brought up because Apple was one of the first to move from 4:3 to 16:10 in the first place.
- socksy 14y agoYou want to sell more monitors than your competitors. Do you a) advertise a higher resolution and DPI than them or b) advertise a larger screen? B has been winning out nearly every time, as most consumers will either not care/understand about the DPI, or will understand the resolution but subconsciously think better of the monitor which is larger. However, with laptops, you can only keep making them so big (and indeed, it seems that the 17″ MacBooks are getting axed). Similar to phones, the only innovation that makes sense in this market is to increase DPI.
- ditoa 14y agoVery nice. Every year I am getting more and more tempted to make the switch from Windows to OS X. I like my iPhone but have always preferred Windows to OS X however I am not very excited with the way Microsoft are taking things with Windows 8. Also I love the hardware and design. They only company who comes close to Apple's design is Asus in my opinion and even then they are still not quite there. Does anyone know if the SSD is a standard SATA drive or a custom built in one (i.e. not user upgradable)?
- sandipc 14y agocustom. looks like the RAM is custom too, just like on the Air.
- nickpresta 14y agoTech specs for new MPB: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro/select http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macboo...
- ori_b 14y agoI really hope that other manufacturers try to copy this soon. I'd kill for a thinkpad (or any other machine that runs Linux nicely, has three buttons and an eraser-stick, and has decent battery life) with a retina display.
- oblique63 14y agoWell, once scaled, the retina screen comes to be about the same resolution as that of the W series Thinkpads (1080p), which is probably how you'd be using it until apps start supporting the resolution bump natively anyway. I just ordered a W530 with that display, 2.7ghz i7 quad core, and their most powerful graphics card for under $1,900. It's not a 'Retina' macbook, but still seems like a good deal to me.
- dasil003 14y agoI'm bummed no dual-drive configuration.
- munchor 14y agoI've never owned an Apple product before. I'll probably buy this thing, it's amazing, but I won't use OS X, no, no :P
- bluthru 14y agoOS X might be the only OS to take advantage of the pixel doubling for a while.
- zokier 14y agoI was hoping 2560x1600 13" pro, preferably in a fullsized body (instead of this Airy silliness). Instead just a overprized and oversized Air, and lackluster minimal refresh to real Pros.
- darrenkopp 14y agoLooks like they dropped the 17" MBP and replaced it with the new 15" Retina MBP.
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- listic 14y agoIs anyone doing thorough reviews for Apple products? With technical details such as component specs (CPU/SSD/display), real world battery life testing and so on. Did all Macbooks get Ivy Bridge update or not?
- weiran 14y agoAnandtech is good if you want the nitty gritty detail.
- stewbrew 14y agoWhen I got my Thinkpad W500 with a 1920x1280 display four years ago people complained over the Internet about those tiny pixels you can hardly see. It didn't have a funny name though and was just a display.
- AncientPC 14y agoI have a Dell Inspiron 6000 from 2005. It has a WUXGA display (1920x1200) on a 15" screen. Sadly, screen resolutions have been decreasing and moving towards 16:9 ratio. It's nice to see Apple emphasize the screen again and push competition.
- gareim 14y agoWith a quad-core CPU and an NVidia 650M and that beast of a screen, will heat be an issue? They've put a lot of powerful components in a relatively small package.
- jakeonthemove 14y ago2880x1800 pixels on a 15.4 inch display? That's pretty impressive from a technical stand point, but I can't see how it's going to be useful in real life - I find 1680x1050 to be at the threshold of usability for me. 1600x900 is perfect on a 15.6, and 1920x1080 is the maximum I'd go for on a 17 inch display. Any higher and I'd just connect a bigger external display... Can anyone give me an idea of what this resolution can actually be useful for?
- bryanlarsen 14y agoJust think of it as an extra-sharp 1440x900 resolution screen. All menubars and buttons will be the same physical size on the 2880x1800 mbp and the 1440x900 mbp. Anything that's not zoomable in an application will actually take up more screen real estate on the 2880x1800 mbp than on the 1680x1050 mbp.
- blubbix 14y agoIt will work just like the iPad. GUI elements will stay the same size, only at a much higher resolution. Old apps will "see" a 1440x900 display and just look more blurry.
- kylebrown 14y agoThe @2x.png thing is already a kind of annoying work-around. Lack of fragmentation is Apple's pridepoint, but I guess this situation is going to get worse before it gets better..
- chrischen 14y agoI think they're keeping the size of stuff the same, just the pixel density changes so you get a clearer image.
- stan_rogers 14y agoI'm still using a couple of ancient 15.6" Windows laptops (the cool kids all laugh at me) because they have 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 displays -- and I'm in my fifties, finding that my arms get shorter and shorter every year (that is, creeping presbyopia -- combined with myopia -- means that I need different glasses for everything now). Apart from text-based activity (development and such), I do a considerable amount of image manipulation using Photoshop and plugins. Current-model affordable machines tend to have resolutions that are far too small for my day-to-day use, making me choose between UI elements and what I'm working on. 1600x900 is far too restrictive (and yes, I own a machine with that resolution), and I'd really like the option of taking my work with me without carting around a separate monitor (the reason I use laptops in the first place).
- sycren 14y agoI think even if you are not a fan of macs or even this laptop you should still love it. Because of this new release we should expect to see releases from every other competitor by the end of the year to match the same screen resolution. Hopefully this will jumpstart the tv resolution from HD 1080 to something bigger like 4k and once this happens the next gen game consoles will surely follow on with greater amounts of details.
- trimbo 14y agoIt looks great. But I think I'm waiting to see how hot this machine gets. It's more compact and still has an 85W power adapter. Because of the higher DPI, it's pushing a lot more pixels even doing menial stuff. For perspective: my (larger) 2010 MBP 15" w/SSD gets very warm even when not doing anything with the GPU. Compiling in IntelliJ will get it to burn your lap off. When I've tried to use it to play games, it practically melts itself.
- jamesaguilar 14y agoThe GT 650 has NVidia's Optimus technology, so it should be OK if you're not doing 3D stuff. That said, with an 1800p display, anything that touches the GPU is going to peg it, and I have no doubt the machine will get quite hot under these circumstances.
- trimbo 14y agoWell, right now my 2010 MBP is driving my cinema display for just reading email and stuff and is baking hot on the bottom. This is the trade-off with this newer machine, I suspect. It packs a ton of power in a smaller space... that just generates a lot of heat.
- phaus 14y agoWhile the new laptops seem very nice, the Mac Pro is a blatant attempt to insult the customer's intelligence. A video card from 2009, seriously? A quick search of newegg.com revealed that this card is so old and obsolete that they don't even sell it anymore. I understand that graphics cards aren't the most important thing in the world to many of Apple's customers, but there is absolutely no reason that they don't at least have a 6990 or even the new 7990 available as an option.
- orangecat 14y agoApple doesn't want normal customers to even consider the Mac Pro. It exists to milk high-end pro users who are locked into Mac-based ecosystems, and possibly to make the rest of the lineup look less expensive.
- staunch 14y agoHoly crap 2880x1800. I've been buying 15" 1920x1200 laptops for last 10 years because I love resolution, but this is just absurdly awesome. I only use Linux, but if no one else competes with this LCD I'll buy a Macbook Pro for sure.
- alecbenzer 14y agoCan't you throw linux on a mbp?
- staunch 14y agoSure, just not a fan of the premium price. I'd be willing to pay it though for that pixels-per-inch.
- streeter 14y agoDoes anyone know if the new MacBook Air can drive more than one external display?
- streeter 14y agoGot the official word from Apple: nope, only one external display.
- Keyframe 14y agoI made a big switch from Mac based video editing to PC centric one in December last year. I'm kind of glad and sad there are no new Mac Pros. PCs took over big time in our industry (now video, CG was never Macs domain anyhow). Still, Macbook Air and Pros are best laptops there are, regardless of OS on it.
- cburgas 14y agoAny information on when they update the iMac line? I really don't need a new laptop but want to switch to MacOS :(
- dirkdeman 14y agoWhy for heaven's sake is the new macbook pro €2279 when it's only $2199 in the US? It's a beautiful machine, and I'm used to some price differences between the US and Europe (USD = EUR, right, Apple?) but this is outrageous! That's almost 500 dolars more...
- jonpacker 14y agoPresumably because the € price includes VAT (which is usually 20%+ in the EU), and the US$ price does not. The real US price would vary by state, and they usually don't show the amount of sales tax on the purchase price. This is a tax thing, not an apple thing.
- rorrr 14y ago$2,199 + 20% = $2,638.8 = 2,111€ Still doesn't explain a higher price.
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- dirkdeman 14y agoWhy for heaven's sake is the new macbook pro €2279 when it's only $2199 in the US? It's a beautiful machine, and I'm used to some price differences between the US and Europe (USD = EUR, right, Apple?) but this is outrageous! That's almost 500 dolars more...
- thom 14y agoPrice-wise, the new retina MBPs seem to stack up pretty well with a ThinkPad W-series, so I don't really see a price issue here. What are people comparing against that they see the price as steep?
- pippy 14y agoI get little hints of Apple losing it's finesse. The plugs are on either side of the new MacBooks, a detail that Apple previously didn't miss. And two Thunderbolts? Does anyone here actually have a thunderbolt device?
- veemjeem 14y agothunderbolt display?
- stordoff 14y agoI think they might be trying to use Thunderbolt to replace the Mac Pro. It doesn't fit all use cases, but the new MBP with a Thunderbolt display and external drive array would get pretty close for many users.
- mturmon 14y agoTwo thunderbolts so you can use a TB->gig-E or TB-FW800 adapter. And yes, thunderbolt devices are really, really fast. I have a TB RAID and a TB display on my MBP.
- orangecat 14y agoAnd two Thunderbolts? Does anyone here actually have a thunderbolt device? The most common use is probably external monitors, via mini-DisplayPort adapters.
- nnethercote 14y agoMy MacBook Pro from about 7 years ago has ports on both sides, and the optical drive slot in the front. More recent ones have the ports on the left side and the optical drive on the right. I think Apple just moves them around to match the constraints presented by the components inside the machine. Having a USB port on each side is nice, IMHO. For example, I have a pair of external speakers where the right speaker connects to the USB port, which is a bit awkward when you only have USB ports on the left side of the laptop.
- hanapbuhay 14y agoAny eligible* student planning on purchasing the retina MacBook Pro can get the base model for $1999 USD (a $200 discount) plus a free $100 Apple gift card. Details here: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/campaigns/back_to_school http://store.apple.com/us/browse/campaigns/back_to_school
- robomartin 14y agoI am platform agnostic. That said, the one thing that continues to concern me with Apple is the continuation of their closed philosophy. The Mac App Store being the latest incarnation of their quest for total control. I, frankly, don't know what to make of it. An Apple ecosystem would have no competitors. Like it or not, Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition that, ultimately, has been responsible for bringing us the Internet as we know it. Stop and think about what I just said before you disagree. Nearly all of the hardware developments in the last thirty years have come on the backs of the MS platform. You can build inexpensive and powerful servers today because of MS. Same with Linux and other advances. They lit the fire that triggered an incredible evolutionary chain in both consumer and professional computing. While I understand why Apple does it this way --and they are fully entitled to do so-- I would not want to see a world where their computers are adopted en-masse unless they let go and break the chains.
- saturdaysaint 14y agoLike it or not, Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition that, ultimately, has been responsible for bringing us the Internet as we know it That's pretty rich. Networking was a fundamental feature of many operating systems that predate Microsoft's existence . The first web browser was developed not on Windows, but the precursor to OSX (NextSTEP) and MS played catch up in basic browser features around the web's early years. The vast majority of servers are Linux based. It's silly to attribute the rise of commodity PC hardware to them as well - it's only their lawsuits that prevented Linux from seeing widespread distribution, which would have enabled just as much innovation.
- robomartin 14y agoRe-read what I wrote and think about it. I knew it would be open for creative interpretations like yours. I did not attribute the Internet to Microsoft. What I said is that "Microsoft enabled an incredible level of global competition" and it is this competition that, in turn, allowed the internet to evolve into what we have today. Yes, networking existed way before MS. Yes, TBL wrote the first browser on NS. Yes, MS played catch-up with browsers. That is not the point. Linux didn't begin life until 1991. By that time the MS-ecosystem-driven PC evolution was very well under way. Linus Torvalds wrote the initial version of Linux on a '386 based PC. By that time PC clones ruled the world. The evolution had gone through the 8086, 80186 and 80286 processors. Machines cost a fraction of what the original true IBM PC cost, were faster and did a lot more. None of this would have happened with a closed hardware model. In fact, it did not. Apple was around at the same time, of course. They focused on keeping it all to themselves. MS, in turn, just did the software and let everyone else figure out the hardware. Yes, it was chaotic but it worked. As the internet begun to heat-up it was Linux running on PC hardware that made it explode. The internet required hardware to grow and explode into every corner of the world. It was the cheap PC hardware that resulted from the evolution of the PC around the MS software that, among other things, enabled the internet to explode like it did. Nobody can even attempt to credit Apple with any of that. Again, I am not anti-Apple here. Among other things, I develop iOS apps and have a nearly equal number of Windows and MacOS machine in the shop. I will likely buy more Apple hardware in the next few months. No issues there. My original post was not about bashing Apple, it was to highlight my concern for the increasing closed-everything (not just hardware) approach Apple is taking --which is a fact. In some cases it is almost despotic. As a developer, that concerns me a great deal. As a consumer, I prefer to see competition at all levels. I'd really like to see Apple open-up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers#The_IBM_PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_(web_browser) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers
- thelicx 14y agoToo expensive... really too much
- mrbill 14y agoI have multiple machines. I'm a UNIX/Linux sysadmin "by trade" since 1995 and use whatever machine / OS combination fits the task at hand best. At work I have a Core2Duo Mac Mini that runs Windows 7 in a VM for my "work stuff" on a second monitor. At home I have the current Core i5 Mac Mini for my main system, with an AMD Bulldozer-based Windows box for games and things that require Windows. Sure, I prefer *nix, but I'll admin and use whatever gets the bills paid. When it comes to laptops, I have a 2010 Macbook Air 11", a 2010 Macbook Pro 13", a Thinkpad T61 with Ubuntu, a Lenovo G470 with Win7, and a Thinkpad X120e running Windows 7. A couple of hours ago, I sold the MBAir and MBPro to friends and ordered the new Core i5 11.6" Air with 128G SSD and 8G RAM. It's not often that I will buy the "current" machine without waiting for a refurb to be available.
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- hesdeadjim 14y agoI'm at WWDC and after seeing one up close, it delivers on all the hyperbole attached to the launch. It's a truly incredible piece of hardware and the display is as game changing as the original iPhone retina screen was.
- epynonymous 14y agoseems the ivy bridge is 20 degrees c hotter than the sandybridge chipset when overclocked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)
- jaems33 14y agoThe more annoying problem is the storage: the lowest end model only holds 256 GB with absolutely no option on checkout to upgrade. And because it's soldered on, one can't simply install an upgrade themselves. So, in order for me to just get double the amount, I have to spend a minimum $600 extra.
- orangecat 14y agoAlthough with USB3, you can get external storage that's both cheap and fast. Often not convenient for portable use, but great for a desktop replacement.
- idleloops 14y agoAre these OLED displays - is this a first for a laptop? I'm interested in any technology that makes it more comfortable to use the machine. Currently I read most web pages on my Kindle out of desperation.
- SkyMarshal 14y agoNo MBP 13" refresh, too bad, I was hoping for that. That size is just the noteook sweet spot for me. More specifically, I'd love to the see the discrete Nvidia 650M GPU in the 13", want to play with CUDA on it. Back to waiting...
- ricardobeat 14y agoPrices here in Brazil were nudged up a little: Air 11": R$2699 -> R$3699 (1849 USD) MBP 13": R$3599 -> R$3999 (2000 USD) MBP Retina: R$9999 (4500 USD - WHAT??) MBP Retina maxed out: R$15973 (~8000 USD...) The prices for the new retina MBPs are outrageous. Tax rate for imports is 60%, and IT companies are eligible for some tax exemptions/reductions, it doesn't make any sense. For R$10k you can fly to the US and buy two retina MBPs. The first one would be exempt from taxes on return. Apple prices went from ridiculous (buy a Mac or buy a car) 6 years ago to very competitive, until this update - apparently the good days are over.
- hrktb 14y agoAnd bye bye 17inch macbook pro. I guess it wasn't selling as good as the 15inch, ans is obsoleted by the retina one. But it's funny how there is so little mention of it, even if it was the top of the line for so long, representing the "everything's on board" mentality, just as the mac pro is.
- vinothgopi 14y agoAm I the only one who noticed that the lid does not have the shiny words "Macbook Pro" anymore?
- jaakl 14y agoIn 2012 there is only one producer who is bold enough to come out with new laptop model without touch-screen. And still it is leading edge.