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Oh come on man. He clearly tried to subvert the last election and came within steps of his VP being killed by a mob he encoded while trying to certify the elect

by voisin 2y ago

Oh come on man. He clearly tried to subvert the last election and came within steps of his VP being killed by a mob he encoded while trying to certify the election. This isn’t just a fear campaign.

lolinder 2y ago
It's a fear campaign, and the leaders of the Democratic party know it. Trump regularly behaves completely irresponsibly and is a terrible loser, and Trump is definitely capable of (intentionally and otherwise) inciting violence, but if you compare the actions of the Democratic leadership to their rhetoric you can clearly see they don't believe the full extent of their own rhetoric about him. They play up the apocalyptic fears for democracy itself because they know it's the only card they have left after nominating Biden. If they were serious about protecting democracy they'd have kicked him out last year when there was still time to build momentum for an electable candidate, rather than continuing to protect his ego. If they were serious about protecting democracy they would have tried harder to court the moderate voters (who are very courtable right now if anyone cared to try). If they were serious about protecting democracy they would have done anything other than focus exclusively on how terrible Trump is for the last four years, because they know that you don't beat a fire by fanning it. They would have deescalated, but instead they escalated, and they absolutely share responsibility for this.
- beaglesss 2y ago
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  - mikewarot 2y ago
    I'd get Hitler on a boat to the US with an admission to an Art college in 1913. Then I would make sure Bill and Hillary never met. It would be such a better timeline... I think.
    - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
      He'd be replaced by someone else. It's so stupid to think of Hitler as some anomaly of evil. It's even stupid to think that of the Nazis as a whole. It was just a freak wave of "Evil" that requires no further explanation and that we're magically incapable of. It was a response to their environment. Studying the conditions that led to the Nazis is probably going to be more informative than how you'd shoot Hitler and magically avoid the entire problem. But, hey, that's how all stupid Democrats think about Trump, as some spellcaster who's hypnotized all his voters, which is a colossally miss of why people actually support him and a display of pathetic levels of charity and theory of mind about other people. "Don't you know he's a criminal and a liar?!?!" It's like an NPC talking at you whose programming can't countenance concepts like "protest vote", "humor", or "fear campaigns designed to control you".
      - mikewarot 2y ago
        Wilson's absence at the league of nations led to the punitive Treaty of Versailles. As for Trump he does the Gish Gallop, spewing lies so fast you can't argue with him in good faith. He doesn't believe in democracy, and should have never been let near power, ever.
- yongjik 2y ago
  I remember seeing a comment in HN that went like "So some group of people walked into a government building. Big deal." I guess, for people whose world view is so malleable that they can look at an attempt to overthrow the government and say "Some people walked into a government building," it makes perfect sense to feel sorry for Trump being demonized by the Left.
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    Lucky they all forgot their guns that day.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      Multiple people were convicted of carrying firearms inside the Capitol on Jan 6th, and it's been documented that weapon caches were prepared close by.
      - willcipriano 2y ago
        If they were all armed (looks like a guy had a knife and another claimed to have had his handgun), why didn't they use them?
        Timon3 2y ago
        Because, due to the actions of a few brave people, they didn't get the chance to use them on any politicians. Let me turn this around - why lie about such an easy-to-check fact? Even RFK has stopped pushing this, why do you continue when it's trivial to disprove?
        willcipriano 2y ago
        Was the plan to run back for the weapons once the politicians had been spotted? They assumed no resistance until that point? Why wouldn't you arm everyone? As far as what was brought into the building I only see mention of a potential concealed carry handgun or two? The only person shot was a unarmed woman who apparently caused the capitol police to fear for their lives. If they had guns as you claimed then they forgot to use them? Sort of sounds like they forgot the guns, make sense given so many of them were elderly.
- kernal 2y ago
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  - lolinder 2y ago
    I think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions about what I believe about Biden based on very little evidence. I'm a moderate who feels stuck and lost between two vindictive, hateful and poisonous parties and I just try my best to help people talk to each other and get past hate where I can.
mistermann 2y ago
> He clearly https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/ These conversations (this entire thread and all(!) others like it, with perhaps a few exceptional comments here and there) are like listening to my uneducated family members discussing AI at my last family reunion. Noteworthy: they show no signs that they realize the predicament they are in. Why are people like this? How can there be no exceptions? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy...
kernal 2y ago
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- dragontamer 2y ago
  Donald Trump was in charge of the Army in Jan 6th, 2021. When Donald Trump failed to deploy the National Guard, it was Mike Pence who stepped in and called them in. Donald Trump never lifted a finger to help that day. Speaking of Nanci Pelosi, have you already forgotten the hammer attack and her would-be assassin?

by voisin 2y ago

Oh come on man. He clearly tried to subvert the last election and came within steps of his VP being killed by a mob he encoded while trying to certify the election. This isn’t just a fear campaign.

lolinder 2y ago

It's a fear campaign, and the leaders of the Democratic party know it. Trump regularly behaves completely irresponsibly and is a terrible loser, and Trump is definitely capable of (intentionally and otherwise) inciting violence, but if you compare the actions of the Democratic leadership to their rhetoric you can clearly see they don't believe the full extent of their own rhetoric about him. They play up the apocalyptic fears for democracy itself because they know it's the only card they have left after nominating Biden. If they were serious about protecting democracy they'd have kicked him out last year when there was still time to build momentum for an electable candidate, rather than continuing to protect his ego. If they were serious about protecting democracy they would have tried harder to court the moderate voters (who are very courtable right now if anyone cared to try). If they were serious about protecting democracy they would have done anything other than focus exclusively on how terrible Trump is for the last four years, because they know that you don't beat a fire by fanning it. They would have deescalated, but instead they escalated, and they absolutely share responsibility for this.

beaglesss 2y ago
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- mikewarot 2y ago
  I'd get Hitler on a boat to the US with an admission to an Art college in 1913. Then I would make sure Bill and Hillary never met. It would be such a better timeline... I think.
  - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
    He'd be replaced by someone else. It's so stupid to think of Hitler as some anomaly of evil. It's even stupid to think that of the Nazis as a whole. It was just a freak wave of "Evil" that requires no further explanation and that we're magically incapable of. It was a response to their environment. Studying the conditions that led to the Nazis is probably going to be more informative than how you'd shoot Hitler and magically avoid the entire problem. But, hey, that's how all stupid Democrats think about Trump, as some spellcaster who's hypnotized all his voters, which is a colossally miss of why people actually support him and a display of pathetic levels of charity and theory of mind about other people. "Don't you know he's a criminal and a liar?!?!" It's like an NPC talking at you whose programming can't countenance concepts like "protest vote", "humor", or "fear campaigns designed to control you".
    - mikewarot 2y ago
      Wilson's absence at the league of nations led to the punitive Treaty of Versailles. As for Trump he does the Gish Gallop, spewing lies so fast you can't argue with him in good faith. He doesn't believe in democracy, and should have never been let near power, ever.
yongjik 2y ago
I remember seeing a comment in HN that went like "So some group of people walked into a government building. Big deal." I guess, for people whose world view is so malleable that they can look at an attempt to overthrow the government and say "Some people walked into a government building," it makes perfect sense to feel sorry for Trump being demonized by the Left.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  Lucky they all forgot their guns that day.
  - Timon3 2y ago
    Multiple people were convicted of carrying firearms inside the Capitol on Jan 6th, and it's been documented that weapon caches were prepared close by.
    - willcipriano 2y ago
      If they were all armed (looks like a guy had a knife and another claimed to have had his handgun), why didn't they use them?
      - Timon3 2y ago
        Because, due to the actions of a few brave people, they didn't get the chance to use them on any politicians. Let me turn this around - why lie about such an easy-to-check fact? Even RFK has stopped pushing this, why do you continue when it's trivial to disprove?
        willcipriano 2y ago
        Was the plan to run back for the weapons once the politicians had been spotted? They assumed no resistance until that point? Why wouldn't you arm everyone? As far as what was brought into the building I only see mention of a potential concealed carry handgun or two? The only person shot was a unarmed woman who apparently caused the capitol police to fear for their lives. If they had guns as you claimed then they forgot to use them? Sort of sounds like they forgot the guns, make sense given so many of them were elderly.
kernal 2y ago
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- lolinder 2y ago
  I think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions about what I believe about Biden based on very little evidence. I'm a moderate who feels stuck and lost between two vindictive, hateful and poisonous parties and I just try my best to help people talk to each other and get past hate where I can.

mistermann 2y ago

> He clearly https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/ These conversations (this entire thread and all(!) others like it, with perhaps a few exceptional comments here and there) are like listening to my uneducated family members discussing AI at my last family reunion. Noteworthy: they show no signs that they realize the predicament they are in. Why are people like this? How can there be no exceptions? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy...

kernal 2y ago

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dragontamer 2y ago
Donald Trump was in charge of the Army in Jan 6th, 2021. When Donald Trump failed to deploy the National Guard, it was Mike Pence who stepped in and called them in. Donald Trump never lifted a finger to help that day. Speaking of Nanci Pelosi, have you already forgotten the hammer attack and her would-be assassin?