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It may be a requirement or law depending on where the company does business. For example, the financial companies I used to work for had a “standard practice”
by xyst 2y ago
It may be a requirement or law depending on where the company does business.
For example, the financial companies I used to work for had a “standard practice” of archiving all e-mails and internal chats for 7-8 years. Not sure if phone calls on company equipment were recorded or retained though (may be a YMMV case).
This is why I separate work and personal assets. I never do work on personal devices nor do I use work devices for personal activities (ie, social media, e-commerce, shit posting). Also if I’m shit talking the boss’s boss. It’s never using work devices.
Have been asked a few times to use personal devices for work but absolutely refused. I would be asked to install their invasive spyware and root kits so they can abide by their draconian corporate policies. So far, they haven’t forced me otherwise I would have quit those companies long ago.
- exe34 2y agoor you buy a shitty phone for the company crapware and leave it at your desk when you go home.
- mijowi 2y agoThe company should pay for that phone
- talldatethrow 2y ago[flagged]
- ehPReth 2y agoin some cases they do! a friend worked for a labour intensive job (X days on, Y days off) and they have a yearly use-it-or-lose-it allowance that he was allowed to claim expenses against for things like boots, jackets, safety gear, etc
- fragmede 2y agowho keeps the boots if they lose the job?
- ehPReth 2y agothe (former) employee keeps them (i imagine for a myriad of reasons like hygiene and various overheads it would take to track such) things like tools (wrenches, drills, bits, etc) are separately supplied by the company per department/work area (sort of like hot desking in the office world) and stay with the company at all times
- Zooti 2y agoGuess it depends on field and where ya work. Places I've worked at will provide tools that you then keep. Only things I haven't kept are "Borrowed" tools which are your couple grand diagnostic tools, or other similar items. All drills, anything I've bought through tool allowances, and the such, I've kept.
- talldayo 2y agoMy dad would get a coupon for a pair of steel-toe boots every 5 years from his employer, and he got to keep the old boots after they "wore out". Now he's got a clean rack of pretty good looking boots after 25 years at the same place.
- nucleardog 2y agoI’ve had… three separate employers provide me steel toe boots. (Well, had me buy some and reimbursed it.) All allowed me to keep them. I think it’s mostly just a matter of people’s feet varying in size so much it’s not worth the hassle to try and provide them directly or get them back after, because I’ve had uniform shirts and pants and things taken back, washed, and given to someone else… just never shoes.
- taneq 2y agoWho wants used work boots? Ew.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- SoftTalker 2y agoDoes your company pay for the suit you have to wear to the office?
- JoshTriplett 2y agoIf your company mandates wearing a suit, specifically, then they should.
- ben_w 2y agoWho wears suits these days? I've only even interviewed at one place with so much as a dress code (Lockheed Martin, industrial year student 20 years ago, the Havant office is ridiculously close to my parent's house at the time, I didn't get the job anyway).
- bobmcnamara 2y agoThey paid for my labcoat, yes. Another paid for my chaps.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y agoWhenever the slightest shred of pro-worker regulation, in this case even something that already exists, is being discussed, I can always count on HN’s strong US contingent to be dismissive and act like the rest of the world hasn’t solved this already.
- geodel 2y agoWhat is rest of the world? I notice 100s of millions in Asia and Africa working in rather horrible condition compare to US at 1/10th of pay even after adjusting lower cost of living.
- beAbU 2y agoMost of the rest of the western world where there is decent employee protections there is usually a clause in the local version of the Basic Conditions of Employment act that reads something like: "The employer shall provide the employee with all resources and materials necesary to complete the Work for which they have been employed."
- josho 2y agoI’ve learned that’s what’s the law and what’s done in practice are often quite different. Eg. A tool belt may not be necessary to get your job done, so the company won’t provide one. However it may make the work experience a 100x better, so everyone is likely to have personally bought their own. Yes, we need better laws and better enforcement. For some reason the modern conservative movement detests anything like this somehow suggesting this is in the employee’s interest because they now have more freedom.
- RobRivera 2y agoThe finance firm i worked for paid for my blackberry.
- mulmen 2y agoHow far do we take this? As an engineer should I be on the hook for the AWS bill?
- 10u152 2y agoIn most of the world yes. They’ll pay for PPE, tools, car, phone, uniform etc. Not a hard concept to grasp.
- OptionOfT 2y agoOne of the weirdest things for me when I moved to the USA was learning that car mechanics have their own tools... when they change workplaces they take their toolbox with them.
- frankharv 2y agoYup load it on on a Roll-Back and relocate. As a machinist I have 4 toolboxes. The older you get the more you acquire. My company does not allow fired employees back on property to retrieve tools. The shop foreman has the toolboxes carried to gate where they will not allow the company forklift to load the tools onto an ex-employees vehicle. So people arrange to have a rollback so they can wheel their boxes onto trucks. Gee I wonder why we can't find any good employees? The whole ordeal is embarrassing.
- frankharv 2y agoNot hard to grasp but not enforced one bit. I have worked 21 years at same shipyard and they will not buy me prescription safety glasses. They also do not buy safety boots buy require employees wear them. On top of this we are a government contractor who you think would follow the law.
- defrost 2y agoCome and work at an Australian shipyard https://eyecareplustamworth.com.au/prescription-safety-glasses/ https://eyecareplustamworth.com.au/prescription-safety-glass... https://www.allaustraliansafety.com.au/blogs/as-nzs-1337-6-standards.html https://www.allaustraliansafety.com.au/blogs/as-nzs-1337-6-s... The rules are there for employer provision of safety equipment and that's enforced.
- LtWorf 2y ago
- viraptor 2y agoRequirement to log doesn't mean the record has to be in online storage though. It could easily get rotated into cold storage every month with only a unique offline password granting you access.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Requirement to log doesn't mean the record has to be in online Banks are (or were) required, in America, to use write-once offline media for records [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once_read_many https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once_read_many
- idrios 2y agoI think the word "easily" is carrying a lot weight here -- for a company the size of Disney, keeping all internal communication records in secure offline storage sounds pretty hard from both a technical and operational standpoint. Certainly doable, but I doubt it'd ever happen unless it were required by law
- SilasX 2y agoI guarantee you that large-cap, highly scrutinized public companies comply with much harder regulations and internal controls than this.
- viraptor 2y agoThere are various levels of offline. For example you can have an S3 bucket with write-only access. No, it's not perfectly offline. But it's isolated from both vulnerabilities and from hacked employees, which covers most common types of breaches. You can solve 99% of the offline storage features without having an actual physical location with tapes.
- compootr 2y agowhat about hacked employees' aws accounts?
- accrual 2y ago> Also if I’m shit talking the boss’s boss. It’s never using work devices. It's wild that some don't get this. A couple years back some employees at my company were fired for doing just this over the same IM system we used to coordinate everything else.
- blitzar 2y ago> for 7-8 years. Not sure if phone calls on company equipment were recorded or retained though For a front office role - archiving of; emails, internal chats, external chats, phone calls / squawk lines, browser history, pc screenshot every X interval, same for work laptop at home. Office cctv, room microphones, mobile phone calls + text messages + device monitoring to ensure no other apps. > I never do work on personal devices nor do I use work devices for personal activities This is now the way.
- whoiscroberts 2y agoDoes Cisco AnyConnect fall into the invasive spyware root kit category?
- kcb 2y agoA corporate VPN on a personal device definitely does.