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For making things better personally I agree with you on changing the mindset in the ways you mentioned. Im agnostic leaning a bit towards atheism and yet I foun

For making things better personally I agree with you on changing the mindset in the ways you mentioned. Im agnostic leaning a bit towards atheism and yet I found praying help bring serentiy sometimes. There are many ways to bring serenity. It’s just cope. However, from a systemic point of view we can’t all nor are all of us capable in this ballancing act of taking a meaningless job and moving the needle on the meaningless scale on the side. Humanity is loosing the battle. Bullshit jobs do turn us into serfs of sorts.

FloorEgg 2y ago
I think we might be conflating meaning, importance, 3rd party benefit, and satisfaction (at least). I'm not advocating for anyone to stay in what they feel is a bullshit job while trying to fake some perception of meaning. If you're unsatisfied with your work for ~two straight months, absolutely make a change. Is the problem that you're doing work that doesn't benefit anyone else? That you're constrained to only do it in an unproductive way? That you personally are not satisfied by the work? That you receive no gratitude for your work? That you're no longer learning or growing? Not making enough money? Something else? What I'm really having trouble agreeing with is that the system is so broken that it's futile to try to improve your situation, and that this constraint is getting worse. It's so far from my experience that while it might be true in some cases I know it's not true globally. I started out minimum wage picking up garbage, working front line retail, etc. barely making ends meet. I used a significant portion of my free time to learn new skills. I sacrificed hanging out with friends on the weekends through most of my 20s. I worked hard. Progress was slow at first, but I built momentum. Over the years I got more and better opportunities. Now my work is meaningful, challenging, impactful and pays well. (I'm in my 30s) When I hear someone say that they are trapped in serdom, or that capitalism is the problem, and that it's futile to try and improve their circumstances, I can't help but think they have been tricked into sabotaging themselves. Some people truely are stuck due to disability, but people who have the ability to be productive and have just given up are wrong.
nradov 2y ago
If you want a meaningful job then you can just go get one. There is plenty of work available in construction labor. What could be more meaningful than building homes for people. Or go work in an elder care facility. They are always hiring attendants and you can make a real difference in the lives of the patients.

FloorEgg 2y ago

I think we might be conflating meaning, importance, 3rd party benefit, and satisfaction (at least). I'm not advocating for anyone to stay in what they feel is a bullshit job while trying to fake some perception of meaning. If you're unsatisfied with your work for ~two straight months, absolutely make a change. Is the problem that you're doing work that doesn't benefit anyone else? That you're constrained to only do it in an unproductive way? That you personally are not satisfied by the work? That you receive no gratitude for your work? That you're no longer learning or growing? Not making enough money? Something else? What I'm really having trouble agreeing with is that the system is so broken that it's futile to try to improve your situation, and that this constraint is getting worse. It's so far from my experience that while it might be true in some cases I know it's not true globally. I started out minimum wage picking up garbage, working front line retail, etc. barely making ends meet. I used a significant portion of my free time to learn new skills. I sacrificed hanging out with friends on the weekends through most of my 20s. I worked hard. Progress was slow at first, but I built momentum. Over the years I got more and better opportunities. Now my work is meaningful, challenging, impactful and pays well. (I'm in my 30s) When I hear someone say that they are trapped in serdom, or that capitalism is the problem, and that it's futile to try and improve their circumstances, I can't help but think they have been tricked into sabotaging themselves. Some people truely are stuck due to disability, but people who have the ability to be productive and have just given up are wrong.

nradov 2y ago

If you want a meaningful job then you can just go get one. There is plenty of work available in construction labor. What could be more meaningful than building homes for people. Or go work in an elder care facility. They are always hiring attendants and you can make a real difference in the lives of the patients.