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> Certainly not true for the company where I work In the 2 decades I have worked as a Software Engineer, I met numerous people, in numerous different companies

> Certainly not true for the company where I work In the 2 decades I have worked as a Software Engineer, I met numerous people, in numerous different companies, that said those words, exactly. All of them were eventually proven wrong. No exceptions.

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ernst_klim 2y ago
> All of them were eventually proven wrong. No exceptions. I live and work in EU (and lived in other places) and I'm pretty sure corporate culture in EU, Japan, Russia is very different from that. There are pros- and cons- sure, but this easy-in/easy-out seems like a very US/Anglophone thing from my POV.
- dlahoda 2y ago
  Eastern block is same as Anglophone.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I mean, it’s still possible to be fired, it’s just _a lot_ harder. The relationship between employer and employee doesn’t seem nearly as hostile either.
  - mobiuscog 2y ago
    I'm presuming they meant 'made redundant' rather than 'fired'. The former is still fairly easy, and just has some process involved, the latter much harder unless gross misconduct can be demonstrated. It's absolutely true the the UK/EU/etc. have much better rights than the US in this regard, but perhaps the higher pay in the US (at least in tech) pays for that.
- surgical_fire 2y ago
  > I live and work in EU What a coincidence. Me too :)
- arrrtem 2y ago
  lol, you can be fired in a minute in Russia if you're not a CEO's son
throwaway7ahgb 2y ago
Isn't that just entropy? Nothing can stay forever. I'd be interesting to see over long periods of time and many people who leave first, the employee quitting or employer firing/laying-off. My anecdotes tell me more people leave than get fired, especially the ones with options.
- palata 2y ago
  > My anecdotes tell me more people leave than get fired, especially the ones with options. Sure, but that's not the original point. The original point is that the company won't make you any favour if they get a better deal by firing you. So you should do the same and leave if you find a better deal somewhere else.

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ernst_klim 2y ago

> All of them were eventually proven wrong. No exceptions. I live and work in EU (and lived in other places) and I'm pretty sure corporate culture in EU, Japan, Russia is very different from that. There are pros- and cons- sure, but this easy-in/easy-out seems like a very US/Anglophone thing from my POV.

dlahoda 2y ago
Eastern block is same as Anglophone.
Aeolun 2y ago
I mean, it’s still possible to be fired, it’s just _a lot_ harder. The relationship between employer and employee doesn’t seem nearly as hostile either.
- mobiuscog 2y ago
  I'm presuming they meant 'made redundant' rather than 'fired'. The former is still fairly easy, and just has some process involved, the latter much harder unless gross misconduct can be demonstrated. It's absolutely true the the UK/EU/etc. have much better rights than the US in this regard, but perhaps the higher pay in the US (at least in tech) pays for that.
surgical_fire 2y ago
> I live and work in EU What a coincidence. Me too :)
arrrtem 2y ago
lol, you can be fired in a minute in Russia if you're not a CEO's son

throwaway7ahgb 2y ago

Isn't that just entropy? Nothing can stay forever. I'd be interesting to see over long periods of time and many people who leave first, the employee quitting or employer firing/laying-off. My anecdotes tell me more people leave than get fired, especially the ones with options.

palata 2y ago
> My anecdotes tell me more people leave than get fired, especially the ones with options. Sure, but that's not the original point. The original point is that the company won't make you any favour if they get a better deal by firing you. So you should do the same and leave if you find a better deal somewhere else.