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With change in leadership to GenXers and millennials I don't think it's an expectation really.

by varjag 2y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
Can confirm. I myself am older and, admittedly, came into the job market as a very naive individual. But over the years I have watched the younger cohort and I am actually kinda impressed with the realistic ronin-like attitude. It is a lot more transactional for a reason; companies themselves have mostly destroyed it. If anything, it is a perverse expression of US 'fuck you, got mine' system.
- kiviuq 2y ago
  There is too much morally infused overinterpretation of Capitalism going on. Owners and workers have diametrically opposite interests which no law or moral judgment could put aside. What one party perceives as a fair wage is nothing but profit dilution for the other side. Remember, the only purpose of a business is - given money - to make more money. If you can't help them with that, either by being dirt cheap or have some marketable skill, you're literally useless and part of the Capitalist overpopulation... a class people who serve no use in the accumulation process.
  - smeej 2y ago
    I think this is true of businesses that outgrow their local economies. And since that's what most people see in their feeds and interact with every day, that's how they expect every company to function. When every company that has any mind share is beholden to a bunch of external shareholders, it's no wonder "profit as much as possible" is the only reason for being anyone thinks of. But it didn't used to be this way and it doesn't have to be this way. It's still possible for people to do well by doing good, providing, for example, quality housing at non-exploitative prices, or reliable and safe plumbing to handle their neighbors' water and sewer needs. And it still is being done. Most of us just spend so much of our time online that we only ever hear about the companies with social media/marketing teams, so we get used to that way of thinking.
    - harimau777 2y ago
      I think that it may not be just that people are spending too much time reading about non-local corporations. Rather, it may be that many industries today are not viable to operate at a local level. E.g. it's not really possible to have a small town semi-conductor fab. Even in software development, there's probably not much need for local companies besides certain more simple applications like WordPress sites.
      - smeej 2y ago
        Even so, it's not the only alternative is gigantic companies trying to get everyone using their product. If every plumber in your area had a subscription to your software that was specifically tailored to your codes and the nuances of your area? Estimating costs based on actual local prices for things? Could you support the number of people it would take to keep such a thing running? Could you sell insights from the data to the local hardware store to help them figure out what kinds of changes (weather, construction, whatever) lead to what kinds of demand for products? It doesn't have to be "you could walk to it" local, but if you really created the tool your area's local businesses couldn't live without, could you really not support yourself?
        harimau777 2y ago
        A lot of people prioritize working on software that intellectually stimulating. If someone is an expert in medical simulation, sonar, VLSI, etc. I don't think that they would consider developing plumbing software to be an equivalent job.
        smeej 2y ago
        If they're an expert in medical simulation or sonar, aren't they likely already working for a relatively small company, and one that's located near, say, a hospital center like Boston, or an ocean? That's still a service within their locale and to their local community, even if the local community is also engaged in specialty work that benefits the whole world.
    - 2y ago
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > the only purpose of a business is - given money - to make more money. That's overstating it. Making money is certainly a very important purpose in business, but it's not usually the only purpose.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
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With change in leadership to GenXers and millennials I don't think it's an expectation really.

by varjag 2y ago

With change in leadership to GenXers and millennials I don't think it's an expectation really.

Can confirm. I myself am older and, admittedly, came into the job market as a very naive individual. But over the years I have watched the younger cohort and I am actually kinda impressed with the realistic ronin-like attitude. It is a lot more transactional for a reason; companies themselves have mostly destroyed it. If anything, it is a perverse expression of US 'fuck you, got mine' system.

kiviuq 2y ago
There is too much morally infused overinterpretation of Capitalism going on. Owners and workers have diametrically opposite interests which no law or moral judgment could put aside. What one party perceives as a fair wage is nothing but profit dilution for the other side. Remember, the only purpose of a business is - given money - to make more money. If you can't help them with that, either by being dirt cheap or have some marketable skill, you're literally useless and part of the Capitalist overpopulation... a class people who serve no use in the accumulation process.
- smeej 2y ago
  I think this is true of businesses that outgrow their local economies. And since that's what most people see in their feeds and interact with every day, that's how they expect every company to function. When every company that has any mind share is beholden to a bunch of external shareholders, it's no wonder "profit as much as possible" is the only reason for being anyone thinks of. But it didn't used to be this way and it doesn't have to be this way. It's still possible for people to do well by doing good, providing, for example, quality housing at non-exploitative prices, or reliable and safe plumbing to handle their neighbors' water and sewer needs. And it still is being done. Most of us just spend so much of our time online that we only ever hear about the companies with social media/marketing teams, so we get used to that way of thinking.
  - harimau777 2y ago
    I think that it may not be just that people are spending too much time reading about non-local corporations. Rather, it may be that many industries today are not viable to operate at a local level. E.g. it's not really possible to have a small town semi-conductor fab. Even in software development, there's probably not much need for local companies besides certain more simple applications like WordPress sites.
    - smeej 2y ago
      Even so, it's not the only alternative is gigantic companies trying to get everyone using their product. If every plumber in your area had a subscription to your software that was specifically tailored to your codes and the nuances of your area? Estimating costs based on actual local prices for things? Could you support the number of people it would take to keep such a thing running? Could you sell insights from the data to the local hardware store to help them figure out what kinds of changes (weather, construction, whatever) lead to what kinds of demand for products? It doesn't have to be "you could walk to it" local, but if you really created the tool your area's local businesses couldn't live without, could you really not support yourself?
      - harimau777 2y ago
        A lot of people prioritize working on software that intellectually stimulating. If someone is an expert in medical simulation, sonar, VLSI, etc. I don't think that they would consider developing plumbing software to be an equivalent job.
        smeej 2y ago
        If they're an expert in medical simulation or sonar, aren't they likely already working for a relatively small company, and one that's located near, say, a hospital center like Boston, or an ocean? That's still a service within their locale and to their local community, even if the local community is also engaged in specialty work that benefits the whole world.
  - 2y ago
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > the only purpose of a business is - given money - to make more money. That's overstating it. Making money is certainly a very important purpose in business, but it's not usually the only purpose.
shrimp_emoji 2y ago
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