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IIRC teenagers/children suffer greatly from this at the morning, with none of them being "morning people", as this is likely some 'learned habit' driven into p
by 8474_s 2y ago
IIRC teenagers/children suffer greatly
from this at the morning,
with none of them being "morning people",
as this is likely some 'learned habit'
driven into people by force.
https://time.com/6206470/school-start-times-research/ https://time.com/6206470/school-start-times-research/
- acchow 2y agoI was always perpetually tired until my late 20s so I just slept in every class and took naps at my desk at my job too.
- baxtr 2y agoThat’s why I believe switching to permanent summer time would be a big mistake and would make kids suffer a lot more than they already do. Summer time in winter would mean getting up 1h earlier, in most locations. EDIT: for those questioning the effect, because “school would still start at the same time (7:45 am)”. Imagine if we didn’t change 1 hour but instead 12h, and then still says: “why don’t get up? My clock says it’s 7 am!” We do have biological clocks and ideally these are in sync with our real world clocks.
- rpgwaiter 2y agoI think it’s kinda nuts that we discuss changing what time it is instead of like, “we should start work and school later in the day” I mean sure changing the clocks for DST is silly and we should stop, but the discussions are almost always really about “everyone hates waking up super early for work and school”. We can fix this without changing our clocks.
- baxtr 2y agoThat’s true. But good luck changing century old work schedules for teachers and parents. The reality is that most grownups don’t particularly care how kids and teenagers feel in the morning.
- curiousigor 2y agoQuite honestly I particularly don't care if we stick to summer or winter time. As long as I can wake up consistently at the same time and not have my sleep schedule destroyed for a couple of weeks twice per year. This clock changing business really messes me up and I see no actual benefit of it today.
- collyw 2y agoIt's better to have the most sunlight during you waking hours, which tend to be later in the day. People don't wake up at 6am and go to bed at 6pm, more like wake at 7 and go to bed at 11.
- devilbunny 2y agoMaybe you and your social circle. I get to work at 6:30 AM; despite being fairly far south in the US, I wake up in full night and drive to work in nautical twilight around the winter solstice. Even in summer, I wake just before the beginning of civil twilight. Needless to say, a late night for me is 10 pm.
- thefz 2y agoThat is... not how DST works.
- Dylan16807 2y agoWhat do you mean? I think it's reasonable to assume the school will be starting at roughly the same clock time in all scenarios. That's the entire point of choosing between permanent winter and permanent summer time, isn't it? So if you extend summer time into the months where the sun is already late to rise, now days that started at a nice hour have to start at the crack of dawn, days that started at the crack of dawn have to start an hour before dawn, and days that started long before dawn get even further before dawn.
- trgn 2y agoWhy is starting at crack of dawn bad? For night owls, so much daylight is wasted in the early morning hours. For children, they'll be shoved off into a classroom building at dawn any way, might as well enjoy more daylight after the schoolday. What am I missing haha?
- Dylan16807 2y agoTeenagers naturally go to sleep later and wake up later. If their schools start early, that's bad for their health and their education. In other words, they need that early morning sunlight to help keep a healthy schedule. It's not wasted.
- trgn 2y ago> they need that early morning sunlight to help keep a healthy schedule this is the part that I don't get. So a teenager needs a later schoolday because they're night owls. 100% agreed with that. But why would they need the early morning daylight? They'll sleep that sunlight away anyway! Wouldn't a shift to a later schoolday, with the DST shift of a later sunrise later, not complement each other very well? Rather than say, just shifting the schoolday later, but then have all that sunlight in the early morning when they are still sleeping.
- echelon 2y ago> That’s why I believe switching to permanent summer time would be a big mistake and would make kids suffer a lot more than they already do. But school would start at the same time regardless. They'd still have to show up at 7:45 AM in the summer and the winter. (And 9-5s would still be 9-5s.) Year-round summer time does mean more daylight to enjoy after work, which would probably be an economic boon to stores and restaurants if it enhances after work leisure.
- Dylan16807 2y ago> But school would start at the same time regardless. They'd still have to show up at 7:45 AM Are you suggesting that the sun is irrelevant to whether someone is a morning person, and only the time on the clock matters?
- echelon 2y ago> Are you suggesting that the sun is irrelevant to whether someone is a morning person, and only the time on the clock matters? That wasn't my original argument at all, but yes - I'll argue this too. I'm always sleepy in the "mornings" and get my best work done after I've been awake a while. It probably has more to do with metabolic flux than daylight. I've occasionally worked so hard on things that I've had my schedule "wrap around" the clock, yet I still get the most work done in the back half of my day.
- collyw 2y agoGiven the vast difference in longitude places within the same time zone, I am fairly sure that argument could be made.
- cyann 2y agoThe EU will switch to permanent winter time as well: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/28/when-will-the-eu-end-seasonal-clock-changes-only-time-will-tell https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/28/when-will-the-...
- gsich 2y agoDiscussion about that are on a low-point.
- collyw 2y agoSpain effectively has the opposite. It's an hour ahead of London despite Grenwich meridian passing through both. Actually Spain seems far better than England, as the daylight is more in line with sleeping hours. If the sunrise is 7am in Spain when it's 6 am in London. At the end of the day, time is just a number and we are able to adjust to it changing twice a year with relative ease. If you want to sleep longer, go to bed an hour earlier.
- lossolo 2y agoIt was a nightmare for me. I'm a night owl. It was known in school that whenever I missed the first one to three lessons, it was because I was sleeping. Both the teachers and the other kids knew it. The optimal hours for me involve waking up around 1-2 PM and going to sleep around 4-5 AM.
- rlpb 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder
- Unbefleckt 2y agoI used to be the same, then I started going for runs at around 3am and fixed my diet, screen habits, spent more time outdoors and stopped using artificial light as much as possible. After about a year of this self imposed routine I am now I'm an early person and have been for about 15 years.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago'All I did was rebuild my life to cater to the external demands, and now I can life ok.' Well, good for you for being able to burn your life to ash & start again. Sometimes that's a good thing!