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Sublime Text 3 is still one of my favorite editors. I use VSCode lately because of its excellent "Remote SSH" integration - but when it comes to latency sublime

Sublime Text 3 is still one of my favorite editors. I use VSCode lately because of its excellent "Remote SSH" integration - but when it comes to latency sublime has it beat. Zed does not feel fast on my machine, which is a 13900K/128gb ram. It is running in xwayland though, so that could be part of the problem. It feels identical to vscode.

correct-horse 2y ago
| It is running in xwayland though It definitely isn't on my system, and I did not touch the configs at all; are you sure about that?
- whalesalad 2y ago
  Fairly positive due to blurry cursors, but I have no way to verify.
  - ndiddy 2y ago
    If you run xeyes and the eyes follow your cursor when it's above the application you want to test, it's running under xwayland. If they don't follow your cursor, the application is running under native Wayland.
    - 369548684892826 2y ago
      finally a use for xeyes?
      - ndiddy 2y ago
        I don't use vanilla xeyes but I use the Window Maker dockapp version (https://bstern.org/wmeyes/ https://bstern.org/wmeyes/) to make it easier to find my cursor on the screen.
        shrimp_emoji 2y ago
        Ha. KDE 6 has something like if you jiggle the cursor a certain way, it temporarily grows larger. Better than Windows's function of "hide all my windows"...
        whalesalad 2y ago
        I think every OS has this feature. Sometimes it is hidden in an accessibility menu and needs to be turned on.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        Pressing some key a few times in Windows highlights your cursor. I just can't remember what it was (Ctrl I think)
        jacekm 2y ago
        Yup, Ctrl twice.
        mkl 2y ago
        Once works. It's an option you have to turn on: Settings > Mouse > Additional mouse options > Show location of pointer when I press the CTRL key.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        Oh thank you thank you. I moved to Windows 11 and the feature disappeared - it is right where your path points to.
      - lagniappe 2y ago
        I always run xeyes in any net-enabled gui. iykyk.
    - whalesalad 2y ago
      Welp, looks like it is running native wayland yet the cursors are blurry. The only time I have ever experienced that is when an app is running under xwayland.
  - executesorder66 2y ago
    If you run xlsclients it will list all applications running through xwayland. [0] https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xorg-xlsclients/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xorg-xlsclients/
    - whalesalad 2y ago
      Oooh, thank you this is very convenient. Confirmed zed is not listed here.
wheresmyshadow 2y ago
Sublime Text gang, raise up. I was always a fan of Sublime Text and I moved away from it once because VSC felt more "hassle-free". The extensions just worked, I didn't need to go through endless JSON files to configure things, I even uncluttered its interface but at the end of the day I returned to good old Sublime Text. Now with LSPs it requires way less tinkering with plugins. I only wish it had just a little bit more UI customizability for plugins to use (different panes etc). Maybe with Sublime Text 5 if that ever comes. Also about the speed: VSC is fast but in comparison... Sublime Text is just insta-fast.
- ElectronBadger 2y ago
  I'm all for Sublime Text and Merge, my daily drivers for all kinds of writing..
- g8oz 2y ago
  I feel the same way about Notepad++
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    notepad++ is a respectable editor but sublime defeats it at everything except price.
- ziml77 2y ago
  ST4 is my go-to for quickly viewing and editing individual files. It really is instant compared to VSC. I don't really run ST with any complex plugins though and leave cases where I want those for VSC. The ones I have installed right now are just extra syntax highlighting and Filter Lines (which I find very handy for progressively filtering down logs)
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    I still use ST for opening huge files. 9 times out of 10 if a huge file cannot be opened in any other editor, I will open it in subl and it will be just fine.
jwells89 2y ago
Sublime's focused/minimalist UI is nice. VS Code sometimes feels like it tries to do too much. My ideal editor would probably be something like a variation on Sublime Text that's modeled more closely after TextMate while keeping the bits that make Sublime better (like the command palette).
- whalesalad 2y ago
  Sublime is the better Textmate. What would you do to subl to make it more like mate? I used textmate for years and years before switching to ST and it was a drop-in replacement.
  - jwells89 2y ago
    The two are pretty close, but between the two TextMate feels more like a golden era OS X desktop app thanks to several small differences and tiny Mac-isms, and I'd like Sublime to have that feel too.
    - the_other 2y ago
      I also feel TextMate had the nicer overall UX. When I first tried Sublime, TextMate had the better text rendering (IMO). Sublime has more features but still doesn’t feel as slick somehow. I’ve recently returned to Sublime from VSC. I prefer VSC’s UI for following links to definitons/references, but in most other ways I prefer Sublime’s nimbleness.
  - frou_dh 2y ago
    Not that this was necessarily better in terms of capabilities, but TextMate had a very pleasing Unix-style extension model where there was no mandated language and extension commands used scripts/executables written in any language. There was even a nice graphical editor for fine-tuning exactly what input they would be given and how their output would be acted upon. TextMate was very much "Mac OS X UI sensibilities combined with Unix power", whereas ST pretty much has its own self-contained philosophy that's then brought to Mac/Windows/Linux in a slick way.
samatman 2y ago
I'm begrudgingly stuck with VSCode because of language support in the smaller-community languages I work with, but any time it starts being a dog (and it doesn't take much, think a 20MiB test data file) I switch back for that purpose. I'm also never letting it anywhere near a merge again, after the worst merge in my years of using git. Sublime Merge doesn't give me the same warm feelings as Sublime Text, but it works, and it won't choke on a big patch and apply a huge deletion without showing it to me first.

correct-horse 2y ago

| It is running in xwayland though It definitely isn't on my system, and I did not touch the configs at all; are you sure about that?

whalesalad 2y ago
Fairly positive due to blurry cursors, but I have no way to verify.
- ndiddy 2y ago
  If you run xeyes and the eyes follow your cursor when it's above the application you want to test, it's running under xwayland. If they don't follow your cursor, the application is running under native Wayland.
  - 369548684892826 2y ago
    finally a use for xeyes?
    - ndiddy 2y ago
      I don't use vanilla xeyes but I use the Window Maker dockapp version (https://bstern.org/wmeyes/ https://bstern.org/wmeyes/) to make it easier to find my cursor on the screen.
      - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
        Ha. KDE 6 has something like if you jiggle the cursor a certain way, it temporarily grows larger. Better than Windows's function of "hide all my windows"...
        whalesalad 2y ago
        I think every OS has this feature. Sometimes it is hidden in an accessibility menu and needs to be turned on.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        Pressing some key a few times in Windows highlights your cursor. I just can't remember what it was (Ctrl I think)
        jacekm 2y ago
        Yup, Ctrl twice.
        mkl 2y ago
        Once works. It's an option you have to turn on: Settings > Mouse > Additional mouse options > Show location of pointer when I press the CTRL key.
        BrandoElFollito 2y ago
        Oh thank you thank you. I moved to Windows 11 and the feature disappeared - it is right where your path points to.
    - lagniappe 2y ago
      I always run xeyes in any net-enabled gui. iykyk.
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    Welp, looks like it is running native wayland yet the cursors are blurry. The only time I have ever experienced that is when an app is running under xwayland.
- executesorder66 2y ago
  If you run xlsclients it will list all applications running through xwayland. [0] https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xorg-xlsclients/ https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xorg-xlsclients/
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    Oooh, thank you this is very convenient. Confirmed zed is not listed here.

wheresmyshadow 2y ago

Sublime Text gang, raise up. I was always a fan of Sublime Text and I moved away from it once because VSC felt more "hassle-free". The extensions just worked, I didn't need to go through endless JSON files to configure things, I even uncluttered its interface but at the end of the day I returned to good old Sublime Text. Now with LSPs it requires way less tinkering with plugins. I only wish it had just a little bit more UI customizability for plugins to use (different panes etc). Maybe with Sublime Text 5 if that ever comes. Also about the speed: VSC is fast but in comparison... Sublime Text is just insta-fast.

ElectronBadger 2y ago
I'm all for Sublime Text and Merge, my daily drivers for all kinds of writing..
g8oz 2y ago
I feel the same way about Notepad++
- whalesalad 2y ago
  notepad++ is a respectable editor but sublime defeats it at everything except price.
ziml77 2y ago
ST4 is my go-to for quickly viewing and editing individual files. It really is instant compared to VSC. I don't really run ST with any complex plugins though and leave cases where I want those for VSC. The ones I have installed right now are just extra syntax highlighting and Filter Lines (which I find very handy for progressively filtering down logs)
- whalesalad 2y ago
  I still use ST for opening huge files. 9 times out of 10 if a huge file cannot be opened in any other editor, I will open it in subl and it will be just fine.

jwells89 2y ago

Sublime's focused/minimalist UI is nice. VS Code sometimes feels like it tries to do too much. My ideal editor would probably be something like a variation on Sublime Text that's modeled more closely after TextMate while keeping the bits that make Sublime better (like the command palette).

whalesalad 2y ago
Sublime is the better Textmate. What would you do to subl to make it more like mate? I used textmate for years and years before switching to ST and it was a drop-in replacement.
- jwells89 2y ago
  The two are pretty close, but between the two TextMate feels more like a golden era OS X desktop app thanks to several small differences and tiny Mac-isms, and I'd like Sublime to have that feel too.
  - the_other 2y ago
    I also feel TextMate had the nicer overall UX. When I first tried Sublime, TextMate had the better text rendering (IMO). Sublime has more features but still doesn’t feel as slick somehow. I’ve recently returned to Sublime from VSC. I prefer VSC’s UI for following links to definitons/references, but in most other ways I prefer Sublime’s nimbleness.
- frou_dh 2y ago
  Not that this was necessarily better in terms of capabilities, but TextMate had a very pleasing Unix-style extension model where there was no mandated language and extension commands used scripts/executables written in any language. There was even a nice graphical editor for fine-tuning exactly what input they would be given and how their output would be acted upon. TextMate was very much "Mac OS X UI sensibilities combined with Unix power", whereas ST pretty much has its own self-contained philosophy that's then brought to Mac/Windows/Linux in a slick way.

samatman 2y ago

I'm begrudgingly stuck with VSCode because of language support in the smaller-community languages I work with, but any time it starts being a dog (and it doesn't take much, think a 20MiB test data file) I switch back for that purpose. I'm also never letting it anywhere near a merge again, after the worst merge in my years of using git. Sublime Merge doesn't give me the same warm feelings as Sublime Text, but it works, and it won't choke on a big patch and apply a huge deletion without showing it to me first.