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He goes slightly more tinfoil hat than the headline here suggests: > the system is designed to make it impossible to prove fraud. Who designed it this way Elo

He goes slightly more tinfoil hat than the headline here suggests: > the system is designed to make it impossible to prove fraud. Who designed it this way Elon? Was it the Jews again? The ones you claimed were conspiring to import inferior immigrants? Also, worth noting this isn't a one off, he's said similar things about voting and immigrants repeatedly, echoing existing conspiracy theories. I like this refreshingly direct take: "Elon Musk keeps tweeting bullshit about Arizona’s elections" > Experts like Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer are trying to teach the tech billionaire, but he doesn't want to learn https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/elon-musk-tweeting-misinformation-about-arizona-elections-19411184 https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/elon-musk-tweeting-misi... edit to add an exhaustive factual debunking of his claims on elections: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/elon-musk-immigration-voting-this-is-actually-happening/ https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/elon-musk-immigra...

water9 2y ago
The people who designed it this way are the people who think that getting a voter ID is racist because somehow minorities are not as smart or capable as white people. Also no matter how many times you call a conspiracy theory non-citizens are counted in the census which affect the electoral votes each state gets, and also the representation in the House of Representatives. Even if they don’t vote, they still overwhelmingly impact blue states and sanctuary cities by inflating their representation by the tune of about 20 electoral votes. https://pointofview.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ID-Not-Necessary.jpg https://pointofview.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ID-Not-Ne...
- hn_acker 2y ago
  > The people who designed it this way are the people who think that getting a voter ID is racist because somehow minorities are not as smart or capable as white people. The ACLU has a handy 2-page document [1] explaining how voter ID laws get implemented and enforced in a racist way. It's not theoretical. Here's an excerpt, but you'll need the rest of the doc for the full picture. > The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office. And a year after Alabama's strict voter ID law went into effect, state officials tried to shut down 31 driver's license offices in majority-Black counties, which would have forced rural and minority voters to travel further to access licenses. [1] https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-f...
- nullindividual 2y ago
  Everyone in the US, regardless of status, is represented by Representatives. Felons can’t vote in many states, yet they’re still counted and represented in Congress. Voter fraud is a non-issue. Or more so a racist, isolationist issue.
  - water9 2y ago
    People who are here illegally should not be represented because they don't pay income tax. PERIOD. If you are too simple minded to not see how easy it is to commit voter fraud you are not very bright
    - nullindividual 2y ago
      Many illegals/undocumented do indeed pay income tax [0]. Another myth, along with the voter fraud myth. You do know that most voter fraud brought forward to trial were committed by Americans, right [1]? Should the American-born poor also not be represented due to the amount of refunds they get year-after-year? Should those on SSDI not be represented? Felons, where restricted by State law? The US Constitution applies to everyone, not just Green Card holders/American citizens [2]. And thank god, imagine if a political party could arbitrarily declare that eh, water9 is no longer an American citizen... jail for life without trial. The 14th Amendment says, in part "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed." [3] You cannot have a 'whole number' unless you count everyone of any status. Your comment is inappropriate, there's no need for personal attacks. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-cec/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-ta... [1] https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-7fcb6f134e528fee8237c7601db3328f https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-bid... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-ri... [3] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  So you think that because some totally separate mechanism, which doesn't involve voter fraud, might slightly tilt the electoral college back towards everyones vote having equal weight that it's okay to tell lies about other aspects of the voting system? Tell lies that suggest the people who designed the system were planning to enable fraud? And you get upset that those lies are called a conspiracy theory?
  - water9 2y ago
    20 electoral college votes would swing the elections in ways the Democrats would not like to see. It's a simple matter of motivation. It was a conspiracy that COVID came from Wuhan, Biden didn't have a mental decline, the vaccines weren't effective, etc. How many Ls do you want to take before you realize calling something a conspiracy theory is not a logical argument but an ad hominem due to lack of a rebuttal to evidence clear as day but contrary to your worldview? It doesn't make you dumb to change your world view after more evidence is gathered. WAKE UP
    - nullindividual 2y ago
      > 20 electoral college votes would swing the elections in ways the Democrats would not like to see. The "fewer than 475" [0] fraudulent ballots across the entire United States would not have impacted the 2020 election outcome. [0] https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-7fcb6f134e528fee8237c7601db3328f https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-bid...
shrimp_emoji 2y ago
Doesn't the fact that he also loves The Culture count for anything?
verdverm 2y ago
Stephen Richer has many great tweet threads showing how the Maricopa system works. He had one that debunked an attempt to create a misleading post about fraud (a right-wing personality intentionally changed their address on the day their ballot was mailed, got two, and tried to claim multiple ballots... To which Stephen pointed out the serial number has a suffix such that the first would not be accepted even if submitted)

water9 2y ago

The people who designed it this way are the people who think that getting a voter ID is racist because somehow minorities are not as smart or capable as white people. Also no matter how many times you call a conspiracy theory non-citizens are counted in the census which affect the electoral votes each state gets, and also the representation in the House of Representatives. Even if they don’t vote, they still overwhelmingly impact blue states and sanctuary cities by inflating their representation by the tune of about 20 electoral votes. https://pointofview.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ID-Not-Necessary.jpg https://pointofview.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ID-Not-Ne...

hn_acker 2y ago
> The people who designed it this way are the people who think that getting a voter ID is racist because somehow minorities are not as smart or capable as white people. The ACLU has a handy 2-page document [1] explaining how voter ID laws get implemented and enforced in a racist way. It's not theoretical. Here's an excerpt, but you'll need the rest of the doc for the full picture. > The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office. And a year after Alabama's strict voter ID law went into effect, state officials tried to shut down 31 driver's license offices in majority-Black counties, which would have forced rural and minority voters to travel further to access licenses. [1] https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-f...
nullindividual 2y ago
Everyone in the US, regardless of status, is represented by Representatives. Felons can’t vote in many states, yet they’re still counted and represented in Congress. Voter fraud is a non-issue. Or more so a racist, isolationist issue.
- water9 2y ago
  People who are here illegally should not be represented because they don't pay income tax. PERIOD. If you are too simple minded to not see how easy it is to commit voter fraud you are not very bright
  - nullindividual 2y ago
    Many illegals/undocumented do indeed pay income tax [0]. Another myth, along with the voter fraud myth. You do know that most voter fraud brought forward to trial were committed by Americans, right [1]? Should the American-born poor also not be represented due to the amount of refunds they get year-after-year? Should those on SSDI not be represented? Felons, where restricted by State law? The US Constitution applies to everyone, not just Green Card holders/American citizens [2]. And thank god, imagine if a political party could arbitrarily declare that eh, water9 is no longer an American citizen... jail for life without trial. The 14th Amendment says, in part "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed." [3] You cannot have a 'whole number' unless you count everyone of any status. Your comment is inappropriate, there's no need for personal attacks. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-cec/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-ta... [1] https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-7fcb6f134e528fee8237c7601db3328f https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-bid... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-ri... [3] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
So you think that because some totally separate mechanism, which doesn't involve voter fraud, might slightly tilt the electoral college back towards everyones vote having equal weight that it's okay to tell lies about other aspects of the voting system? Tell lies that suggest the people who designed the system were planning to enable fraud? And you get upset that those lies are called a conspiracy theory?
- water9 2y ago
  20 electoral college votes would swing the elections in ways the Democrats would not like to see. It's a simple matter of motivation. It was a conspiracy that COVID came from Wuhan, Biden didn't have a mental decline, the vaccines weren't effective, etc. How many Ls do you want to take before you realize calling something a conspiracy theory is not a logical argument but an ad hominem due to lack of a rebuttal to evidence clear as day but contrary to your worldview? It doesn't make you dumb to change your world view after more evidence is gathered. WAKE UP
  - nullindividual 2y ago
    > 20 electoral college votes would swing the elections in ways the Democrats would not like to see. The "fewer than 475" [0] fraudulent ballots across the entire United States would not have impacted the 2020 election outcome. [0] https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-7fcb6f134e528fee8237c7601db3328f https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-bid...

shrimp_emoji 2y ago

Doesn't the fact that he also loves The Culture count for anything?

verdverm 2y ago

Stephen Richer has many great tweet threads showing how the Maricopa system works. He had one that debunked an attempt to create a misleading post about fraud (a right-wing personality intentionally changed their address on the day their ballot was mailed, got two, and tried to claim multiple ballots... To which Stephen pointed out the serial number has a suffix such that the first would not be accepted even if submitted)