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And consumption of erythritol, xylitol, and other sugar alcohols (maltitol, mannitol, sorbitol...) goes completely unmonitored. It's important to note that in m
by reedf1 2y ago
And consumption of erythritol, xylitol, and other sugar alcohols (maltitol, mannitol, sorbitol...) goes completely unmonitored. It's important to note that in most products sugar was simply replaced by sweetener - not reduced. Are we okay with this large scale natural experiment on children's health? There is building evidence of glucose tolerance, prothrombosis, and cardiovascular risk.
- frereubu 2y agoThis is a good write-up on the emerging issues around some sweeteners: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/and-now-xylitol https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/and-now-xylitol
- pcthrowaway 2y agoSabine Hossenfelder has a good video on sugar alcohols like erythritol and xylitol as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5v61YtDYo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5v61YtDYo4
- dtech 2y agoIsn't aspartame used 99% of the time in sodas? Despite decade-long doubts, afaik studies have always failed to find convincing evidence of it being problematic.
- tuukkah 2y ago"First erythritol, now xylitol. This research group followed the same flawed design and ended up with the same flawed conclusions." https://peterattiamd.com/xylitol-and-cvd/ https://peterattiamd.com/xylitol-and-cvd/
- throwaway743950 2y agoLet's not pretend sweeteners are anywhere near as damaging as sugar.
- bmacho 2y agoHumans eat sugars for thousands of years now (and honey since millions of years), but random sweeteners are new. I'd say let's not pretend that any map made by splashing paint on a paper is the terrain, and go full retard based on that.
- robertlagrant 2y agoHumans have not eaten this much sugar for thousands of years.
- Wolfenstein98k 2y agoThey have not eaten any artificial sweeteners for more than a few tens of years.
- robertlagrant 2y agoI'm contradicting the point that people have been eating this much sugar for thousands of years. I'm not claiming the reverse for sweeteners. No population's eaten this much sugar for more than tens of years either.
- bmacho 2y agoAll the living humans, in average? No. But otherwise, individually, why wouldn't they? A lot of people had the sweet tooth, and the money, and they ate this much sugar, or even more.
- jedberg 2y agoBecause until recently it was very expensive to get sugar. Only the richest people could even afford any at all. There were lots of things with small amounts of natural sugars, but nothing like the processed foods we have now.
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- rsynnott 2y agoVirtually all artificially sweetened soft drinks in the Uk (that’s what the levy applies to) are sweetened with aspartame, which is fairly well-understood.
- agurk 2y ago> Virtually all artificially sweetened soft drinks in the Uk are sweetened with aspartame A quick look at a few soft drinks I could think of, and their UK sweeteners: Fanta: Aspartame, Acesulfame Coke Zero: Aspartame, Acesulfame-K, Enzymatically Produced Steviol Glycosides Pepsi: Acesulfame K, Sucralose Irn Bru: Aspartame, Acesulfame K Tizer: Acesulfame K, Sucralose Old Jamaica Ginger Beer: Sucralose Lipton Iced Tea: Steviol Glycosides from Stevia Ribena: acesulfame K, Sucralose There seem to be no clear winners, with the most noticeable finding that multiple ones are usually used.
- rsynnott 2y agoAcesulfame-K and friends is normally used in small amounts with aspartame; individually they both taste bloody awful, particularly Acesulfame K, but together they taste borderline acceptable. Must say I wasn't aware there was so much sucralose in use.
- reedf1 2y agoA personal guilty pleasure is sugar-free red bull. Sorbitol, Sucralose, Ace-k unfortunately.
- rsynnott 2y agoHuh, how much sorbitol do they put in it?! I thought that one was mostly only used in low-volume applications, because in large volumes, it's a laxative (AIUI this is why you rarely see sugar alcohols used as sweeteners in drinks.)
- FriedrichN 2y agoSugar alcohols will never be as popular as more obvious choices like aspartame and sucralose. Most people have at least some adverse reaction to sugar alcohols. Personally, all of them, used in any meaningful quantity, turn me into a bloated farty mess that ends with diarrhoea. Absolutely terrible stuff.
- antisthenes 2y ago> Most people have at least some adverse reaction to sugar alcohols. Citation? I have a decent number of friends who are sugar-free soda enjoyers. They don't seem to have any adverse effects from these sugar substitutes. Can you link any papers about these adverse reactions?
- FriedrichN 2y agoI have yet to encounter a soda that uses sugar alcohols, most use aspartame, ace-K, sucralose, or stevia. Those don't bother me at all. But the side-effects of sugar alcohols are pretty well known (especially to anyone who has had the pleasure of eating beyond their threshold). I haven't searched for any papers but I'm sure you'll find plenty that conclude that many people have adverse reactions to sugar alcohols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_alcohol#Side_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_alcohol#Side_effects
- reedf1 2y agoIt's in sugar free red bull unfortunately.
- FriedrichN 2y agoNot where I live (ace-K and sucralose). Maybe it differs per region.
- josefritzishere 2y agoMannitol is literally a laxative if you're looking for an adverse reaction... Just eat a few too many haribo sugar-free gummies.