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>Rush hour had a train there every ~2 minutes and they were still packed. Sometimes I wonder if society will figure out a way to stagger business hours and hol

>Rush hour had a train there every ~2 minutes and they were still packed. Sometimes I wonder if society will figure out a way to stagger business hours and holidays... somehow... to decongest rush hour. Something like X areacode business hours have to +/- 1 hour every other month.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Or just let people work from home if they can? Society seems to be dead set on certain ceremonies that aren’t technically needed.
- SapporoChris 2y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statistics/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statisti... "As of 2023, 12.7% of full-time employees work from home", this appears to be data for USA only. Certainly that percentage can be increased, but not all jobs can be worked remotely. It will help congestion but won't eliminate it. Also, fun fact, not all traffic during rush hour is from commuting to work.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    A large number of tech workers go in only 3 days a week, which would help congestion if it wasn’t all the same 3 days for everyone. I spent more money on a house next to schools so I wouldn’t need to be a part of the rush hour commute, except now we have a summer camp to go to in the next town over, well at least it’s summer and school traffic is gone.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    People say “not all jobs” but a great deal of them certainly can be remote. I think we all remember 2020 when hourly workers still had to show up to their job, office workers didn’t and this was sufficient to clear all the roads and even affect local air quality.
  - c22 2y ago
    A large fraction of jobs that can't be done remotely are shift work where shifts are distributed all around the day.
  - lmpdev 2y ago
    The biggest traffic determinant in my city’s (Brisbane, Australia) rush hour is school children by far I think it’s the fact school buses are rare in Australia and the doubling (or often tripling due to low co-ed rates here) of the commutes for parents dropping them off I have no children School not on? My commute is 7-10 minutes in rush hour. School on? 25-35 minutes in rush hour In saying this I know there are other confounding variables here (eg location or but parents aligning their holidays with their children’s), but I feel like there should be some direct consultation between our City Council and Schools as it directly impacts all residents of the city
- maxglute 2y ago
  One can only dream. Right now still too much competition/involution, and people need to put in face time to get ahead. Hopefully inevitable trend when demographics -> workforce decline and workers get more leverage. Maybe less people will alleviate congestion and more ppl will want to goto the office because commute more pleasant.
- postalrat 2y ago
  If work from home is as productive as in the office it will grow. If now it will shrink.
  - antisthenes 2y ago
    That's not it at all. Leadership can either set up remote work for failure or for success through top-down policy. You're also assuming some kind of perfect instantaneous feedback mechanism exists to measure productivity and adjust the remote/office work on the fly. It doesn't and never will.
    - postalrat 2y ago
      Over time trends will be visible and used to make decisions. It's not instantaneous at all.
      - kjkjadksj 2y ago
        People aren’t randomly assigning wfh and measuring output though its just whatever middle management think is right. If this stuff were informed by data the office would have died in 1995.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Ideally yes, practically speaking many human bosses aren’t great at measuring productivity and want to see butts in seats.
CorrectHorseBat 2y ago
The Netherlands has staggered school holidays: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/schoolvakanties/overzicht-schoolvakanties-per-schooljaar/overzicht-schoolvakanties-2023-2024 https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/schoolvakanties/ove... (in Dutch, but you should be able to understand the table if you know English)
- maxglute 2y ago
  How long has that been implemented? So how well does it work? i.e. are plane prices cheaper with family vacation times staggered?

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

Or just let people work from home if they can? Society seems to be dead set on certain ceremonies that aren’t technically needed.

SapporoChris 2y ago
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statistics/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statisti... "As of 2023, 12.7% of full-time employees work from home", this appears to be data for USA only. Certainly that percentage can be increased, but not all jobs can be worked remotely. It will help congestion but won't eliminate it. Also, fun fact, not all traffic during rush hour is from commuting to work.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  A large number of tech workers go in only 3 days a week, which would help congestion if it wasn’t all the same 3 days for everyone. I spent more money on a house next to schools so I wouldn’t need to be a part of the rush hour commute, except now we have a summer camp to go to in the next town over, well at least it’s summer and school traffic is gone.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  People say “not all jobs” but a great deal of them certainly can be remote. I think we all remember 2020 when hourly workers still had to show up to their job, office workers didn’t and this was sufficient to clear all the roads and even affect local air quality.
- c22 2y ago
  A large fraction of jobs that can't be done remotely are shift work where shifts are distributed all around the day.
- lmpdev 2y ago
  The biggest traffic determinant in my city’s (Brisbane, Australia) rush hour is school children by far I think it’s the fact school buses are rare in Australia and the doubling (or often tripling due to low co-ed rates here) of the commutes for parents dropping them off I have no children School not on? My commute is 7-10 minutes in rush hour. School on? 25-35 minutes in rush hour In saying this I know there are other confounding variables here (eg location or but parents aligning their holidays with their children’s), but I feel like there should be some direct consultation between our City Council and Schools as it directly impacts all residents of the city
maxglute 2y ago
One can only dream. Right now still too much competition/involution, and people need to put in face time to get ahead. Hopefully inevitable trend when demographics -> workforce decline and workers get more leverage. Maybe less people will alleviate congestion and more ppl will want to goto the office because commute more pleasant.
postalrat 2y ago
If work from home is as productive as in the office it will grow. If now it will shrink.
- antisthenes 2y ago
  That's not it at all. Leadership can either set up remote work for failure or for success through top-down policy. You're also assuming some kind of perfect instantaneous feedback mechanism exists to measure productivity and adjust the remote/office work on the fly. It doesn't and never will.
  - postalrat 2y ago
    Over time trends will be visible and used to make decisions. It's not instantaneous at all.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      People aren’t randomly assigning wfh and measuring output though its just whatever middle management think is right. If this stuff were informed by data the office would have died in 1995.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Ideally yes, practically speaking many human bosses aren’t great at measuring productivity and want to see butts in seats.

CorrectHorseBat 2y ago

The Netherlands has staggered school holidays: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/schoolvakanties/overzicht-schoolvakanties-per-schooljaar/overzicht-schoolvakanties-2023-2024 https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/schoolvakanties/ove... (in Dutch, but you should be able to understand the table if you know English)

maxglute 2y ago
How long has that been implemented? So how well does it work? i.e. are plane prices cheaper with family vacation times staggered?