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Looking at crime in general around cities and not just metal theft, I think that it's the result of a mismatch of incentives and disincentives. If you are in p

Looking at crime in general around cities and not just metal theft, I think that it's the result of a mismatch of incentives and disincentives. If you are in poverty in America and want to get help, it's pretty easy to get. You can get food stamps to buy food, to go a shelter or section 8 for housing, we have welfare and many other programs to take care of folks who ask for it. But each of those programs has rules, you can't buy booze with your food stamps and you can't bring drugs into a shelter for example. Some people don't like this tradeoff so they resort to theft, whether breaking into a car or stealing the copper wiring out of a lightpole. And that is where the issue is, while we are pouring tons and tons of resources into the inventive, we as a society are neglecting the fact that you also need disincentives. We need to make sure that we show people that we have incentives to get them back on their feet, get them healthy and get them fed but we also need to show equal disincentives if they choose to break the law.

joe_the_user 2y ago
If you are in poverty in America and want to get help, it's pretty easy to get. No, you're wrong. The only thing one can say is "many programs exist" but they are altogether inadequate even without their restrictions (which you're minimizing). Most places section 8 housing is nearly impossible to get with years waits common. Shelters have extremely restrictive conditions as well as being very unpleasant (being around people destroyed by the system isn't good for even those not yet in terrible condition). Also, drugs and alcohol are often by homeless people to get to sleep in circumstances where it would be otherwise impossible.
CobrastanJorji 2y ago
I'm not sure "pretty easy" is fair. In my city, there's a lottery for Section 8 housing. The applications are regularly closed. I think our applications might've been closed since 2020 (https://www.kcha.org/housing/vouchers/lottery https://www.kcha.org/housing/vouchers/lottery). The people who got on that list before 2020 are periodically chosen in a lottery when vouchers occasionally become available. Once they have the voucher, they are then responsible for finding a landlord that accepts Section 8 housing vouchers and has an availability. That's not to say that there aren't many options for aid, but many of these programs are much less available than you'd think.
monkmartinez 2y ago
Let me ask you a question; Why doesn't Singapore deal with this type of crime? We, as a society, have stopped demanding people to take responsibility for themselves. We don't hold anyone accountable for their actions. We ostracize the basic enforcement of accountability and those that are charged with upholding law. We are soft AF as a society.
- CobrastanJorji 2y ago
  Don't like 3/4 of Singaporeans live in some form of subsidized public housing? I would definitely support heavily funding the same solution here, if that's what you're advocating.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Yep! HDBs are the norm for Singaporean citizens. That said, they will also prosecute anti-social behavior in an extremely putative manner. In Singapore (and also Japan and SK), it's the carrot and the stick that runs the social contract.
- archagon 2y ago
  Hell, you could stop crime altogether if every misdemeanor carried the death penalty!
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joe_the_user 2y ago

If you are in poverty in America and want to get help, it's pretty easy to get. No, you're wrong. The only thing one can say is "many programs exist" but they are altogether inadequate even without their restrictions (which you're minimizing). Most places section 8 housing is nearly impossible to get with years waits common. Shelters have extremely restrictive conditions as well as being very unpleasant (being around people destroyed by the system isn't good for even those not yet in terrible condition). Also, drugs and alcohol are often by homeless people to get to sleep in circumstances where it would be otherwise impossible.

CobrastanJorji 2y ago

I'm not sure "pretty easy" is fair. In my city, there's a lottery for Section 8 housing. The applications are regularly closed. I think our applications might've been closed since 2020 (https://www.kcha.org/housing/vouchers/lottery https://www.kcha.org/housing/vouchers/lottery). The people who got on that list before 2020 are periodically chosen in a lottery when vouchers occasionally become available. Once they have the voucher, they are then responsible for finding a landlord that accepts Section 8 housing vouchers and has an availability. That's not to say that there aren't many options for aid, but many of these programs are much less available than you'd think.

monkmartinez 2y ago

Let me ask you a question; Why doesn't Singapore deal with this type of crime? We, as a society, have stopped demanding people to take responsibility for themselves. We don't hold anyone accountable for their actions. We ostracize the basic enforcement of accountability and those that are charged with upholding law. We are soft AF as a society.

CobrastanJorji 2y ago
Don't like 3/4 of Singaporeans live in some form of subsidized public housing? I would definitely support heavily funding the same solution here, if that's what you're advocating.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Yep! HDBs are the norm for Singaporean citizens. That said, they will also prosecute anti-social behavior in an extremely putative manner. In Singapore (and also Japan and SK), it's the carrot and the stick that runs the social contract.
archagon 2y ago
Hell, you could stop crime altogether if every misdemeanor carried the death penalty!

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