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This is more fear mongering, a giant nothing burger. There will be huge advantages to recycling these batteries as the technologies come out, and dealing with t

This is more fear mongering, a giant nothing burger. There will be huge advantages to recycling these batteries as the technologies come out, and dealing with the PFAS will be on the recycler.

cassianoleal 2y ago
> There will be > will be on the recycler Given the current state of recycling in general, I doubt this is a nothing burger.
- adrianN 2y ago
  Lead-acid batteries have very good recycling rates.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Specifically, 99%.
  - jmclnx 2y ago
    Yes, that is because in many places it is a law, plus recycling them is a money making industry.
    - adrianN 2y ago
      I predict that it will be the same for lithium in the near future.
      - EricE 2y ago
        Based on what? Where are the economics to back that feeling up?
        adrianN 2y ago
        The first pilot plants are being built, e.g. https://electrek.co/2023/03/02/tesla-cofounders-redwood-shows-95-efficiency-in-battery-recycling-pilot/ https://electrek.co/2023/03/02/tesla-cofounders-redwood-show...
        westurner 2y ago
        Redwood Materials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_Materials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_Materials : > In March 2023 Redwood claimed to have recovered more than 95% of important metals (incl. lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper) from 500,000 lb (230,000 kg) of old NiMH and Li-Ion packs. [10] That's without $10K humanoid robots sorting through electronics and removing batteries IIUC. Recovering rare earths from electronics waste should be even more profitable now. Just look at Copenhill; how many inputs and how many outputs? "Turning waste into gold" (2024) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240229124612.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240229124612.h... : > Researchers have recovered gold from electronic waste. Their highly sustainable new method is based on a protein fibril sponge, which the scientists derive from whey, a food industry byproduct. ETH Zurich researchers have recovered the precious metal from electronic waste. "[Star-shaped] Gold nanoparticles kill cancer – but not as thought" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40819864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40819864
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    There is a large cash deposit for recycling them, not so with lithium
FerretFred 2y ago
Oh, so you mean it'll be shipped out to the nearest 3rd-world country for recycling, AKA burning in open pits. Someone else's problem for sure. Edit: related example https://www.utoronto.ca/news/more-developed-countries-dumping-toxic-e-waste-global-south-u-t-researchers-find https://www.utoronto.ca/news/more-developed-countries-dumpin...
idunnoman1222 2y ago
Did you even read the article? The contaminants are found around the battery manufacturing plant. Unrelated to the recycling that is never gonna happen anyway
p_j_w 2y ago
This amounts to "Don't worry, mommy and daddy will take care of it." It is not a serious argument.

This is more fear mongering, a giant nothing burger. There will be huge advantages to recycling these batteries as the technologies come out, and dealing with the PFAS will be on the recycler.

cassianoleal 2y ago

> There will be > will be on the recycler Given the current state of recycling in general, I doubt this is a nothing burger.

adrianN 2y ago
Lead-acid batteries have very good recycling rates.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Specifically, 99%.
- jmclnx 2y ago
  Yes, that is because in many places it is a law, plus recycling them is a money making industry.
  - adrianN 2y ago
    I predict that it will be the same for lithium in the near future.
    - EricE 2y ago
      Based on what? Where are the economics to back that feeling up?
      - adrianN 2y ago
        The first pilot plants are being built, e.g. https://electrek.co/2023/03/02/tesla-cofounders-redwood-shows-95-efficiency-in-battery-recycling-pilot/ https://electrek.co/2023/03/02/tesla-cofounders-redwood-show...
        westurner 2y ago
        Redwood Materials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_Materials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_Materials : > In March 2023 Redwood claimed to have recovered more than 95% of important metals (incl. lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper) from 500,000 lb (230,000 kg) of old NiMH and Li-Ion packs. [10] That's without $10K humanoid robots sorting through electronics and removing batteries IIUC. Recovering rare earths from electronics waste should be even more profitable now. Just look at Copenhill; how many inputs and how many outputs? "Turning waste into gold" (2024) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240229124612.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240229124612.h... : > Researchers have recovered gold from electronic waste. Their highly sustainable new method is based on a protein fibril sponge, which the scientists derive from whey, a food industry byproduct. ETH Zurich researchers have recovered the precious metal from electronic waste. "[Star-shaped] Gold nanoparticles kill cancer – but not as thought" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40819864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40819864
- _yb2s 2y ago
  There is a large cash deposit for recycling them, not so with lithium

FerretFred 2y ago

Oh, so you mean it'll be shipped out to the nearest 3rd-world country for recycling, AKA burning in open pits. Someone else's problem for sure. Edit: related example https://www.utoronto.ca/news/more-developed-countries-dumping-toxic-e-waste-global-south-u-t-researchers-find https://www.utoronto.ca/news/more-developed-countries-dumpin...

idunnoman1222 2y ago

Did you even read the article? The contaminants are found around the battery manufacturing plant. Unrelated to the recycling that is never gonna happen anyway

p_j_w 2y ago

This amounts to "Don't worry, mommy and daddy will take care of it." It is not a serious argument.