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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-check

Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

tjpnz 2y ago
Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to back it.
- vinni2 2y ago
  ex-Apple doesn’t really give much credibility either. For a hardware startup yes but for a AI fact-checking startup? unsure.
  - beAbU 2y ago
    Shh dont tell the investors.
  - sameoldtune 2y ago
    That was their foot in the door to the startup scene. Now they are venerable founders with a proven track record of AI-driven solutions /s
- dmitrygr 2y ago
  I am not sure that ex-Apple is really worth anything here. Apple is a kingdom. Unless you are Tim or one of his close team, your opinion on product does not matter, you will do what you are told. So, unless you are one of those few people, "ex-Apple" means that you are very good at executing on things you were clearly told to do. I would gladly hire any ex-Apple engineer and be sure to get a great hire! But hiring ex-Apple product people...
- beezlebroxxxxxx 2y ago
  Execs like these fail upwards by chasing funding that they can incinerate in bonfires of "innovation" and "disruption." For whatever reason, the failure of their tenure at past companies (or the failure of their past companies outright) are usually not held against them. But wait, these execs need insane compensation because, conveniently, "they have the special skills needed to be an exec" [see my first sentence]. SV and the tech world has this idea that many execs and founders are something like Steve Jobs. They love to promote that image. Actually, from my experience, they're more like Elizabeth Holmes or your random MBA/MBB alum psychopath failing upwards.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    There's also the clear conflict of interest where Exec at company A is on the Board of Company B who's team of Execs are on the board at company A so it turns out to be really really easy to get them all to vote for more Exec compensation against shareholder interests. Because they aren't shareholders, they're insiders who also own shares.
- spywaregorilla 2y ago
  > This one sounds more reasonable yeah, for example, purchasing a magazine about surfing
debacle 2y ago
Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.
- mqefjh 2y ago
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  - blackhawkC17 2y ago
    How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)
    - mqefjh 2y ago
      How is the weather in Englin today ? Also if you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb on here, think of making comments that actually use technical jargon sometimes. Pretty funny that you mention the IRA since I was threatened with open brain surgical torture by one of them a few months back. Like you, he assumed I was part of an opposite three letter agency. Do you guys never stop and consider that maybe, just maybe, the inevitable fate of conspiracy theorists is to become conspirators ? It always boils down to dialectics. Always. For the wider audience running across this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
      - dang 2y ago
        Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. Also, please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, and please don't use HN primarily for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. Your account has already been doing a lot of those things and that's the sort of account we end up having to ban. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

tjpnz 2y ago

Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to back it.

vinni2 2y ago
ex-Apple doesn’t really give much credibility either. For a hardware startup yes but for a AI fact-checking startup? unsure.
- beAbU 2y ago
  Shh dont tell the investors.
- sameoldtune 2y ago
  That was their foot in the door to the startup scene. Now they are venerable founders with a proven track record of AI-driven solutions /s
dmitrygr 2y ago
I am not sure that ex-Apple is really worth anything here. Apple is a kingdom. Unless you are Tim or one of his close team, your opinion on product does not matter, you will do what you are told. So, unless you are one of those few people, "ex-Apple" means that you are very good at executing on things you were clearly told to do. I would gladly hire any ex-Apple engineer and be sure to get a great hire! But hiring ex-Apple product people...
beezlebroxxxxxx 2y ago
Execs like these fail upwards by chasing funding that they can incinerate in bonfires of "innovation" and "disruption." For whatever reason, the failure of their tenure at past companies (or the failure of their past companies outright) are usually not held against them. But wait, these execs need insane compensation because, conveniently, "they have the special skills needed to be an exec" [see my first sentence]. SV and the tech world has this idea that many execs and founders are something like Steve Jobs. They love to promote that image. Actually, from my experience, they're more like Elizabeth Holmes or your random MBA/MBB alum psychopath failing upwards.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  There's also the clear conflict of interest where Exec at company A is on the Board of Company B who's team of Execs are on the board at company A so it turns out to be really really easy to get them all to vote for more Exec compensation against shareholder interests. Because they aren't shareholders, they're insiders who also own shares.
spywaregorilla 2y ago
> This one sounds more reasonable yeah, for example, purchasing a magazine about surfing

debacle 2y ago

Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.

mqefjh 2y ago
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- blackhawkC17 2y ago
  How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)
  - mqefjh 2y ago
    How is the weather in Englin today ? Also if you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb on here, think of making comments that actually use technical jargon sometimes. Pretty funny that you mention the IRA since I was threatened with open brain surgical torture by one of them a few months back. Like you, he assumed I was part of an opposite three letter agency. Do you guys never stop and consider that maybe, just maybe, the inevitable fate of conspiracy theorists is to become conspirators ? It always boils down to dialectics. Always. For the wider audience running across this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
    - dang 2y ago
      Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. Also, please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, and please don't use HN primarily for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. Your account has already been doing a lot of those things and that's the sort of account we end up having to ban. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html