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About this case specifically, is there anything the execs can actually be put in jail for? In general, corporations need to be more fragile than people. A corp

About this case specifically, is there anything the execs can actually be put in jail for? In general, corporations need to be more fragile than people. A corporation can live forever, gathering up resources, eating up the useful work of tens of thousands of people. Corporations can also be born a lot more easily than people. Making it easy to kill them would actually benefit a lot of people, since the people can be transferred along with their experience to other corporations. Want to make real culture change at a company like Boeing? You make it easy for Boeing to die, so that the people who have other ideas about how to make planes can do so without a massive incumbent in their way.

_heimdall 2y ago
I would be surprised if internal documents didn't point to individuals involved knowingly allowing the company to find itself here. That said, I obviously don't have that access and couldn't say if criminal charges against any individuals are reasonable. That said, I can say that whether the charges would be supported or not I don't think regulators or investigators are willing to pursue it and will happily stop at only slapping the corporation on the wrist.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  The paper trail tends to taper off as you get up towards the C-suite, though, in favor of in-person verbal instructions. (With notable exceptions: Apple and Google were silly enough to have the CEOs emailing back and forth. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-google-settle-antitrust-lawsuit-hiring-collusion https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo...)
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    There really isn't much to be done about it at that point. Once a game has incomplete rules and someone knows how to play the game they will avoid repercussions. That doesn't stop prosecutors from going after those who did leave evidence behind though. When a company pleas guilty to fraud, for example, there absolutely are people that committed the fraud. A company can do nothing by itself, it definitely can't commit fraud without people making the decisions.

_heimdall 2y ago

I would be surprised if internal documents didn't point to individuals involved knowingly allowing the company to find itself here. That said, I obviously don't have that access and couldn't say if criminal charges against any individuals are reasonable. That said, I can say that whether the charges would be supported or not I don't think regulators or investigators are willing to pursue it and will happily stop at only slapping the corporation on the wrist.

ceejayoz 2y ago
The paper trail tends to taper off as you get up towards the C-suite, though, in favor of in-person verbal instructions. (With notable exceptions: Apple and Google were silly enough to have the CEOs emailing back and forth. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-google-settle-antitrust-lawsuit-hiring-collusion https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo...)
- _heimdall 2y ago
  There really isn't much to be done about it at that point. Once a game has incomplete rules and someone knows how to play the game they will avoid repercussions. That doesn't stop prosecutors from going after those who did leave evidence behind though. When a company pleas guilty to fraud, for example, there absolutely are people that committed the fraud. A company can do nothing by itself, it definitely can't commit fraud without people making the decisions.