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Ah, the glorious bailey. Though, a little warm for me this time of year, at least in the US :) So I wasn't wrong, I just left out the controversy? Please, do s

Ah, the glorious bailey. Though, a little warm for me this time of year, at least in the US :) So I wasn't wrong, I just left out the controversy? Please, do share the controversy! Please, let it be more than the Palo Alto PowerPoint ESG presentation that required Brazil Google Maps to route people into gang controlled territory to be killed by AK47s. Any more thoughts on the "deliberately misleading" part? Or are you leaving it there?

gruez 2y ago
>So I wasn't wrong, I just left out the controversy? Please, do share the controversy! Please, let it be more than the Palo Alto PowerPoint ESG presentation that required Brazil Google Maps to route people into gang controlled territory to be killed by AK47s. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments you'd see that I expressed skepticism about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40909047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40909047 >Any more thoughts on the "deliberately misleading" part? Or are you leaving it there? "deliberately misleading" was never something I wrote. I did write "deliberately obfuscating", which I stand by for the reasons mentioned in my previous comment.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  > I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments you'd see that I expressed skepticism about it. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought you thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments, you'd see I never said that. Any ideas on what the controversy is that I deliberately obfuscated? I'm bored and tired of inviting you to explain your mind-reading. I'll skip to why sharing your mind-reading is not only rude, but irrational: Is it possible people use "ESG" as a boogie-man when complaining? Put another way: am I deliberately obfuscating, or are you steel-manning nonsense? Put another way, longer: Imagine someone complains: "This restaurant's new menu is clearly pandering to ESG trends!" Person A (steel-manning): "They must be referring to the complex interplay between sustainable sourcing, labor practices, and pandering to DEI values in the restaurant industry." Person B (simple interpretation): "They probably just added a few vegan options and are upset about it." In this case, Person A's attempt to find depth in a shallow complaint leads them far astray from the actual, much simpler issue at hand.

gruez 2y ago

>So I wasn't wrong, I just left out the controversy? Please, do share the controversy! Please, let it be more than the Palo Alto PowerPoint ESG presentation that required Brazil Google Maps to route people into gang controlled territory to be killed by AK47s. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments you'd see that I expressed skepticism about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40909047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40909047 >Any more thoughts on the "deliberately misleading" part? Or are you leaving it there? "deliberately misleading" was never something I wrote. I did write "deliberately obfuscating", which I stand by for the reasons mentioned in my previous comment.

refulgentis 2y ago
> I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments you'd see that I expressed skepticism about it. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I thought you thought the google maps ESG claim was true. If you check my other comments, you'd see I never said that. Any ideas on what the controversy is that I deliberately obfuscated? I'm bored and tired of inviting you to explain your mind-reading. I'll skip to why sharing your mind-reading is not only rude, but irrational: Is it possible people use "ESG" as a boogie-man when complaining? Put another way: am I deliberately obfuscating, or are you steel-manning nonsense? Put another way, longer: Imagine someone complains: "This restaurant's new menu is clearly pandering to ESG trends!" Person A (steel-manning): "They must be referring to the complex interplay between sustainable sourcing, labor practices, and pandering to DEI values in the restaurant industry." Person B (simple interpretation): "They probably just added a few vegan options and are upset about it." In this case, Person A's attempt to find depth in a shallow complaint leads them far astray from the actual, much simpler issue at hand.