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That's the secret. If nobody used them, they would go away.

mattmaroon 2y ago
Our options shouldn’t be see no concerts from successful musicians or pay monopoly pricing. This is something government should solve.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  Expecting the US government to properly handle monopolies and anti-trust issues is a fool's errand. It's like saying the US government should solve the issue of gun proliferation in the US: it's simply not going to, in our lifetimes.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    I don’t think that’s accurate. They’ve successfully handled plenty of anti trust issues in the past and very recently got on this one.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      When was the last time they did it?
      - ricket 2y ago
        I googled "us government anti trust wins" and found a few articles that point out some recent ones, e.g. Adobe and Figma in December 2023, and an Apple lawsuit in March 2024.
      - dml2135 2y ago
        Biden's FTC and Justice Department are in the process of suing Apple, Facebook, and Google for antitrust violations. And Ticketmaster.
  - skywhopper 2y ago
    On the contrary, the US government is probably a lot easier to influence than an entrenched monopoly.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      It probably would require less money.
- nulbyte 2y ago
  You're right, of course, those shouldn't be our options. But that's just how it is. If you aren't willing to stop playing, the game will never end.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    Again, not true, that's a false dichotomy. Political pressure is an alternative. The justice department is already suing. Clearly it can be done. You writing your congressperson is more likely (albeit, still not at all likely) to make a difference than you not going to your annual concert.
Dylan16807 2y ago
That's why they've done so much to force performers to use them.
spicybbq 2y ago
While this is literally true, solutions in the form of "if everyone would just X" are not solutions at all.
wrsh07 2y ago
That's not really possible, because they contractually require venues and performing artists to only perform at their venues This kind of gross exclusionary contract should be illegal (it's kinda the same BS that Google does with Android OEMs - contractually force them to [1]), but for some reason antitrust avoided acting on the matter (including allowing acquisitions in the space) for quite some time [1] > Predicating the availability of any of Google’s apps, including the Google Play Store, on OEMs not taking advantage of the open source nature of Android on devices that will not include Google apps seems much more problematic than Google insisting its apps be distributed in a bundle. The latter is Google’s prerogative; the former is dictating OEM actions just because Google can. https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-...
NickC25 2y ago
That might have been true in decades past. They now, having merged with LiveNation, have effective ownership of all major and semi-major venues around the country. They also aren't just doing concerts, they're doing sporting events and other live entertainment as well. They aren't going anywhere. They are just too big, and too ingrained.
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Our options shouldn’t be see no concerts from successful musicians or pay monopoly pricing. This is something government should solve.

shiroiushi 2y ago
Expecting the US government to properly handle monopolies and anti-trust issues is a fool's errand. It's like saying the US government should solve the issue of gun proliferation in the US: it's simply not going to, in our lifetimes.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  I don’t think that’s accurate. They’ve successfully handled plenty of anti trust issues in the past and very recently got on this one.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    When was the last time they did it?
    - ricket 2y ago
      I googled "us government anti trust wins" and found a few articles that point out some recent ones, e.g. Adobe and Figma in December 2023, and an Apple lawsuit in March 2024.
    - dml2135 2y ago
      Biden's FTC and Justice Department are in the process of suing Apple, Facebook, and Google for antitrust violations. And Ticketmaster.
- skywhopper 2y ago
  On the contrary, the US government is probably a lot easier to influence than an entrenched monopoly.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    It probably would require less money.
nulbyte 2y ago
You're right, of course, those shouldn't be our options. But that's just how it is. If you aren't willing to stop playing, the game will never end.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  Again, not true, that's a false dichotomy. Political pressure is an alternative. The justice department is already suing. Clearly it can be done. You writing your congressperson is more likely (albeit, still not at all likely) to make a difference than you not going to your annual concert.

Dylan16807 2y ago

That's why they've done so much to force performers to use them.

spicybbq 2y ago

While this is literally true, solutions in the form of "if everyone would just X" are not solutions at all.

wrsh07 2y ago

That's not really possible, because they contractually require venues and performing artists to only perform at their venues This kind of gross exclusionary contract should be illegal (it's kinda the same BS that Google does with Android OEMs - contractually force them to [1]), but for some reason antitrust avoided acting on the matter (including allowing acquisitions in the space) for quite some time [1] > Predicating the availability of any of Google’s apps, including the Google Play Store, on OEMs not taking advantage of the open source nature of Android on devices that will not include Google apps seems much more problematic than Google insisting its apps be distributed in a bundle. The latter is Google’s prerogative; the former is dictating OEM actions just because Google can. https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-...

NickC25 2y ago

That might have been true in decades past. They now, having merged with LiveNation, have effective ownership of all major and semi-major venues around the country. They also aren't just doing concerts, they're doing sporting events and other live entertainment as well. They aren't going anywhere. They are just too big, and too ingrained.

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