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Just vote with your pocket and don’t buy tickets from them. I do that - yes I don’t get to go to major concerts but there are still so much more that is not on

by Ocha 2y ago

Just vote with your pocket and don’t buy tickets from them. I do that - yes I don’t get to go to major concerts but there are still so much more that is not on ticket master. I found a lot of new entertainment and was happy to pay $4 fee instead of whatever TM charges nowadays.

Loughla 2y ago
That's the secret. If nobody used them, they would go away.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  Our options shouldn’t be see no concerts from successful musicians or pay monopoly pricing. This is something government should solve.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Expecting the US government to properly handle monopolies and anti-trust issues is a fool's errand. It's like saying the US government should solve the issue of gun proliferation in the US: it's simply not going to, in our lifetimes.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      I don’t think that’s accurate. They’ve successfully handled plenty of anti trust issues in the past and very recently got on this one.
      - sofixa 2y ago
        When was the last time they did it?
        ricket 2y ago
        I googled "us government anti trust wins" and found a few articles that point out some recent ones, e.g. Adobe and Figma in December 2023, and an Apple lawsuit in March 2024.
        dml2135 2y ago
        Biden's FTC and Justice Department are in the process of suing Apple, Facebook, and Google for antitrust violations. And Ticketmaster.
    - skywhopper 2y ago
      On the contrary, the US government is probably a lot easier to influence than an entrenched monopoly.
      - mattmaroon 2y ago
        It probably would require less money.
  - nulbyte 2y ago
    You're right, of course, those shouldn't be our options. But that's just how it is. If you aren't willing to stop playing, the game will never end.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      Again, not true, that's a false dichotomy. Political pressure is an alternative. The justice department is already suing. Clearly it can be done. You writing your congressperson is more likely (albeit, still not at all likely) to make a difference than you not going to your annual concert.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  That's why they've done so much to force performers to use them.
- spicybbq 2y ago
  While this is literally true, solutions in the form of "if everyone would just X" are not solutions at all.
- wrsh07 2y ago
  That's not really possible, because they contractually require venues and performing artists to only perform at their venues This kind of gross exclusionary contract should be illegal (it's kinda the same BS that Google does with Android OEMs - contractually force them to [1]), but for some reason antitrust avoided acting on the matter (including allowing acquisitions in the space) for quite some time [1] > Predicating the availability of any of Google’s apps, including the Google Play Store, on OEMs not taking advantage of the open source nature of Android on devices that will not include Google apps seems much more problematic than Google insisting its apps be distributed in a bundle. The latter is Google’s prerogative; the former is dictating OEM actions just because Google can. https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-...
- NickC25 2y ago
  That might have been true in decades past. They now, having merged with LiveNation, have effective ownership of all major and semi-major venues around the country. They also aren't just doing concerts, they're doing sporting events and other live entertainment as well. They aren't going anywhere. They are just too big, and too ingrained.
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NoahKAndrews 2y ago
See Tickets seems to be on the rise recently, which I've been glad for
- jenny2244 2y ago
  [flagged]
trustno2 2y ago
They have an effective monopoly.
- sirsinsalot 2y ago
  Not just on tickets, but on venues, catering, security, logistics. It's pretty bad.
- account42 2y ago
  ... for a completely optional form of entertainment. At the very least you have the choice not to go to any concerts until there are better options. You can also make that clear to your favorite bands.
  - quantified 2y ago
    The extra fees are shared with venues and bands. Keeps them on TM's side.
  - skywhopper 2y ago
    lol, people and bands have been complaining about it for 30 years and it’s only gotten worse. Yes, you could skip concerts for the rest of your life, I suppose, to make a point. But it’s not going to fix anything.
    - account42 2y ago
      Complaining yes, but how many people are actually putting their foot down? As for bands, they may actually be profiting from this scheme where ticketmaster ensures higher prices while taking the blame. If they really cared enough they could chose not to deal with Ticketmaster. Sure, that would limit their choices in venues which could mean lower potential for profit. Probably not going to be a real issue for the the more popular groups. And yes, if there are no concerts with acceptable terms (and that's really a hypothetical if) then don't go to any for the rest of your life. You make it sound like this is some kind of required part of the human experience when it is just one of many possible ways to spend your time. Even if you are really into music, concerts are just one way to experience it - and when it comes to audio quality, a fairly crappy one.
bonestamp2 2y ago
I did that for several years. I don't really consider it voting though because nobody is counting the votes -- they still sell out of tickets with higher profits each year.

by Ocha 2y ago

Loughla 2y ago

That's the secret. If nobody used them, they would go away.

mattmaroon 2y ago
Our options shouldn’t be see no concerts from successful musicians or pay monopoly pricing. This is something government should solve.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  Expecting the US government to properly handle monopolies and anti-trust issues is a fool's errand. It's like saying the US government should solve the issue of gun proliferation in the US: it's simply not going to, in our lifetimes.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    I don’t think that’s accurate. They’ve successfully handled plenty of anti trust issues in the past and very recently got on this one.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      When was the last time they did it?
      - ricket 2y ago
        I googled "us government anti trust wins" and found a few articles that point out some recent ones, e.g. Adobe and Figma in December 2023, and an Apple lawsuit in March 2024.
      - dml2135 2y ago
        Biden's FTC and Justice Department are in the process of suing Apple, Facebook, and Google for antitrust violations. And Ticketmaster.
  - skywhopper 2y ago
    On the contrary, the US government is probably a lot easier to influence than an entrenched monopoly.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      It probably would require less money.
- nulbyte 2y ago
  You're right, of course, those shouldn't be our options. But that's just how it is. If you aren't willing to stop playing, the game will never end.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    Again, not true, that's a false dichotomy. Political pressure is an alternative. The justice department is already suing. Clearly it can be done. You writing your congressperson is more likely (albeit, still not at all likely) to make a difference than you not going to your annual concert.
Dylan16807 2y ago
That's why they've done so much to force performers to use them.
spicybbq 2y ago
While this is literally true, solutions in the form of "if everyone would just X" are not solutions at all.
wrsh07 2y ago
That's not really possible, because they contractually require venues and performing artists to only perform at their venues This kind of gross exclusionary contract should be illegal (it's kinda the same BS that Google does with Android OEMs - contractually force them to [1]), but for some reason antitrust avoided acting on the matter (including allowing acquisitions in the space) for quite some time [1] > Predicating the availability of any of Google’s apps, including the Google Play Store, on OEMs not taking advantage of the open source nature of Android on devices that will not include Google apps seems much more problematic than Google insisting its apps be distributed in a bundle. The latter is Google’s prerogative; the former is dictating OEM actions just because Google can. https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-...
NickC25 2y ago
That might have been true in decades past. They now, having merged with LiveNation, have effective ownership of all major and semi-major venues around the country. They also aren't just doing concerts, they're doing sporting events and other live entertainment as well. They aren't going anywhere. They are just too big, and too ingrained.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

NoahKAndrews 2y ago

See Tickets seems to be on the rise recently, which I've been glad for

jenny2244 2y ago
[flagged]

trustno2 2y ago

They have an effective monopoly.

sirsinsalot 2y ago
Not just on tickets, but on venues, catering, security, logistics. It's pretty bad.
account42 2y ago
... for a completely optional form of entertainment. At the very least you have the choice not to go to any concerts until there are better options. You can also make that clear to your favorite bands.
- quantified 2y ago
  The extra fees are shared with venues and bands. Keeps them on TM's side.
- skywhopper 2y ago
  lol, people and bands have been complaining about it for 30 years and it’s only gotten worse. Yes, you could skip concerts for the rest of your life, I suppose, to make a point. But it’s not going to fix anything.
  - account42 2y ago
    Complaining yes, but how many people are actually putting their foot down? As for bands, they may actually be profiting from this scheme where ticketmaster ensures higher prices while taking the blame. If they really cared enough they could chose not to deal with Ticketmaster. Sure, that would limit their choices in venues which could mean lower potential for profit. Probably not going to be a real issue for the the more popular groups. And yes, if there are no concerts with acceptable terms (and that's really a hypothetical if) then don't go to any for the rest of your life. You make it sound like this is some kind of required part of the human experience when it is just one of many possible ways to spend your time. Even if you are really into music, concerts are just one way to experience it - and when it comes to audio quality, a fairly crappy one.

bonestamp2 2y ago

I did that for several years. I don't really consider it voting though because nobody is counting the votes -- they still sell out of tickets with higher profits each year.