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Here in Brazil, it is not uncommon to hear about people being kidnapped/shot/killed because Google Maps decided to direct them into a zone controlled by organiz

Here in Brazil, it is not uncommon to hear about people being kidnapped/shot/killed because Google Maps decided to direct them into a zone controlled by organized crime. When news came out that those routes were being chosen to make the app more "inclusive", I found it amusing how someone in Palo Alto presenting a PowerPoint with a couple of ESG slides could lead to someone else being shot with an AK-47. If the above sounds unreal: https://www.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/mtfwfq/carro_do_google_sendo_recebido_pelos_moradores_de/#lightbox https://www.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/mtfwfq/carro_do...

gruez 2y ago
>When news came out that those routes were being chosen to make the app more "inclusive", I found it amusing how someone in Palo Alto presenting a PowerPoint with a couple of ESG slides could lead to someone else being shot with an AK-47. source? The above link only seems to support the claim there's armed people on streetview, not that google is directing people to crime ridden areas for "ESG" purposes.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Probably info wars dot com
- frozenlettuce 2y ago
  I guess that you missed this from some weeks ago? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-112436221.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362... The link in the OP is an example of what people may encounter if they follow said routes https://www.euronews.com/2016/12/10/italian-tourist-killed-after-gps-system-leads-him-into-rio-favela https://www.euronews.com/2016/12/10/italian-tourist-killed-a...
  - gruez 2y ago
    >I guess that you missed this from some weeks ago? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362 https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362... Problems with the veracity of those statements aside, at best the it confirms that google cares about being "inclusive", but the same source also specifically says that current routes are "objective", which disproves op's claim that "routes were being chosen to make the app more "inclusive""
dotcoma 2y ago
more "inclusive" roads = idiotic 'woke' culture gone batshit crazy
- refulgentis 2y ago
  They are making it up There was a viral thread a month or two ago from an ex-Google Maps employee talking about how that'd never be considered, because tl;dr, doing that would be a great example of steering at scale leading to unintended consequences. Not sure if they misunderstood that thread, or they're just wholesale riffing.
  - dotcoma 2y ago
    I have no idea if it’s happening but, sadly, I would not be surprised if it were.
    - refulgentis 2y ago
      > I have no idea if it’s happening, I do! > but, buckles up > sadly, I would not be surprised if it were. On my end, I'm sad people make up silly things that'd never happen, to claim that it could happen, so they can express their sadness. There's better options! ex. here: I'm sad because it's near 4 PM [EDIT: f***, after 4 PM!], and I got a bunch of failing integration tests to fix after rushing a feature, over a long holiday weekend, for an investor who has been AWOL for a week. When I take a step back, my harsh review of myself is I'm unconsciously getting my mind off it, because it makes me feel better because it's easy to be correct when people aren't trying to be. But really, I'm just burning time I could be using to wrap up work.
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      > I have no idea if it’s happening but, sadly, I would not be surprised if it were. So, in other words, it's totally made up. It's got the vibes of: "Now, we can't verify that that's true, but it certainly sounds right." - Tucker Carlson[1] 1: https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-massive-conflict-with-france-occurring https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-massive-conflict-w...
refulgentis 2y ago
Those are street view photos, they don't have anything about Google Maps steering, stories about people being shot on a Google Maps route, or someone getting killed, or someone getting shot with an AK-47. I'm not sure what you're referring to with Google Maps deciding to direct people through low-income areas. There was a recent thread, maybe a month ago, about how they don't do that, only do the most straightforward route, because redirecting traffic would cause as much bad as good. Unintended consequences and all that. For what it's worth, a few more straightforward things: - Google HQ is in Mountain View, not Palo Alto - Google uses Google Slides, not PowerPoint - ESG stands for "environmental, social, and governance" and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results.
- deleted 2y ago
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- ultimoo 2y ago
  > ESG stands for "environmental, social, and gas" and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results. Gas?! ESG stands for environmental, social, and governance.
  - refulgentis 2y ago
    Someone had too many beans at lunch (: Corrected, ty!
- gruez 2y ago
  >[...] and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results. That's a slightly misleading way of characterizing ESG. "allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results" is just "investing", or "long-term investing". ESG refers specifically to considering or changing company's environmental (eg. pollution) and social impact (eg. workforce diversity), as well as improving its governance practices. Sure, its proponents think doing the aforementioned things will improve the company's financial performance as well, but your characterization deliberately obfuscates what ESG actually involves.
renewiltord 2y ago
The weirdest thing was that in the resulting conservative backlash many of them switched to Apple Maps which resulted in a bunch of people all getting stuck in the same cul-de-sac and having a road-rage induced shootout. It killed this poor teenager. https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/18ieg6d/17yearold_texas_girl_killed_in_alleged_road_rage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/18ieg6d/17yearold_te...
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  What? The article says she unintentionally cut off another driver who then shot her.
kgeist 2y ago
Same here in Siberia. A man froze to death after Google recommended a wrong turn via an abandoned road because it was a shorter path: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-frozen-to-death-after-google-maps-wrong-turn/news-story/13e10cbbc96494ee26e6dea29f4fb469 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-fr...
- ddulaney 2y ago
  Same here in Utah. No actual deaths I’m aware of, but lots of damaged vehicles that needed to get towed out of 4x4 tracks in the desert after Google sent them there.

gruez 2y ago

>When news came out that those routes were being chosen to make the app more "inclusive", I found it amusing how someone in Palo Alto presenting a PowerPoint with a couple of ESG slides could lead to someone else being shot with an AK-47. source? The above link only seems to support the claim there's armed people on streetview, not that google is directing people to crime ridden areas for "ESG" purposes.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
Probably info wars dot com
frozenlettuce 2y ago
I guess that you missed this from some weeks ago? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-112436221.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362... The link in the OP is an example of what people may encounter if they follow said routes https://www.euronews.com/2016/12/10/italian-tourist-killed-after-gps-system-leads-him-into-rio-favela https://www.euronews.com/2016/12/10/italian-tourist-killed-a...
- gruez 2y ago
  >I guess that you missed this from some weeks ago? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362 https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-maps-may-not-offer-1124362... Problems with the veracity of those statements aside, at best the it confirms that google cares about being "inclusive", but the same source also specifically says that current routes are "objective", which disproves op's claim that "routes were being chosen to make the app more "inclusive""

dotcoma 2y ago

more "inclusive" roads = idiotic 'woke' culture gone batshit crazy

refulgentis 2y ago
They are making it up There was a viral thread a month or two ago from an ex-Google Maps employee talking about how that'd never be considered, because tl;dr, doing that would be a great example of steering at scale leading to unintended consequences. Not sure if they misunderstood that thread, or they're just wholesale riffing.
- dotcoma 2y ago
  I have no idea if it’s happening but, sadly, I would not be surprised if it were.
  - refulgentis 2y ago
    > I have no idea if it’s happening, I do! > but, buckles up > sadly, I would not be surprised if it were. On my end, I'm sad people make up silly things that'd never happen, to claim that it could happen, so they can express their sadness. There's better options! ex. here: I'm sad because it's near 4 PM [EDIT: f***, after 4 PM!], and I got a bunch of failing integration tests to fix after rushing a feature, over a long holiday weekend, for an investor who has been AWOL for a week. When I take a step back, my harsh review of myself is I'm unconsciously getting my mind off it, because it makes me feel better because it's easy to be correct when people aren't trying to be. But really, I'm just burning time I could be using to wrap up work.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    > I have no idea if it’s happening but, sadly, I would not be surprised if it were. So, in other words, it's totally made up. It's got the vibes of: "Now, we can't verify that that's true, but it certainly sounds right." - Tucker Carlson[1] 1: https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-massive-conflict-with-france-occurring https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-massive-conflict-w...

refulgentis 2y ago

Those are street view photos, they don't have anything about Google Maps steering, stories about people being shot on a Google Maps route, or someone getting killed, or someone getting shot with an AK-47. I'm not sure what you're referring to with Google Maps deciding to direct people through low-income areas. There was a recent thread, maybe a month ago, about how they don't do that, only do the most straightforward route, because redirecting traffic would cause as much bad as good. Unintended consequences and all that. For what it's worth, a few more straightforward things: - Google HQ is in Mountain View, not Palo Alto - Google uses Google Slides, not PowerPoint - ESG stands for "environmental, social, and governance" and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results.

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ultimoo 2y ago
> ESG stands for "environmental, social, and gas" and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results. Gas?! ESG stands for environmental, social, and governance.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  Someone had too many beans at lunch (: Corrected, ty!
gruez 2y ago
>[...] and refers to investors allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results. That's a slightly misleading way of characterizing ESG. "allocating money based on longer-term criteria beyond next quarter's results" is just "investing", or "long-term investing". ESG refers specifically to considering or changing company's environmental (eg. pollution) and social impact (eg. workforce diversity), as well as improving its governance practices. Sure, its proponents think doing the aforementioned things will improve the company's financial performance as well, but your characterization deliberately obfuscates what ESG actually involves.

renewiltord 2y ago

The weirdest thing was that in the resulting conservative backlash many of them switched to Apple Maps which resulted in a bunch of people all getting stuck in the same cul-de-sac and having a road-rage induced shootout. It killed this poor teenager. https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/18ieg6d/17yearold_texas_girl_killed_in_alleged_road_rage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/18ieg6d/17yearold_te...

hombre_fatal 2y ago
What? The article says she unintentionally cut off another driver who then shot her.

kgeist 2y ago

Same here in Siberia. A man froze to death after Google recommended a wrong turn via an abandoned road because it was a shorter path: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-frozen-to-death-after-google-maps-wrong-turn/news-story/13e10cbbc96494ee26e6dea29f4fb469 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-fr...

ddulaney 2y ago
Same here in Utah. No actual deaths I’m aware of, but lots of damaged vehicles that needed to get towed out of 4x4 tracks in the desert after Google sent them there.