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This reads like "American goes to Europe and is upset to find out that things are done differently than in America"

betaby 2y ago
Not quite. From the article "This makes absolutely no sense: Apple not deploying AI in fact opens them up to competition, because their phones will be less fully featured than they might be otherwise! Vestager should be taking a victory lap, if her position made a shred of sense. "
- isodev 2y ago
  It's a tiny nuance, but what would really open Apple to competition is allowing 3rd party developers to offer replacement experiences for "Intelligence" and other functions, like the OpenAI integration. The DMA seems vague only if you have bad intentions and want to get away with it. Perfectly fine if you want to do the right thing.
  - betaby 2y ago
    All those are half-measures for me. It's either open system like x86 PC or closed like the current iOS/Android. Open for some, in some cases, in EU only, is not helping really.
    - akmarinov 2y ago
      It puts tremendous pressure on the rest of the locales, if the EU ends up working fine. It exposes that there’s no need for Apple to decide what apps you can have on your phone
    - isodev 2y ago
      Before the DMA compliance, Apple was known as supposedly caring about privacy and creating a good and safe user experience. They could have opted to incorporate the spirit of the DMA into their products world-wide (as it aligns well with what they preach). Unfortunately, Apple decided to just show everyone how unlike a regular conglomerate/big corp they really are. So here we are, we have tobacco, big oil and iOS.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      > Open for some, in some cases, in EU only, is not helping really. Would you mind explaining how the status quo is better without them? I'm confused.
      - betaby 2y ago
        I think it very obvious. For example EU now forced to open Apple platform for Epic Games. For me that means absolutely nothing. Before: one gated store, now - two gated stores. It doesn't help me running my own python script. N or N+X gated and censored stores change nothing really. It's not a general computing in any sense.
        talldayo 2y ago
        How is that any worse? It just sounds like you're mad that Apple refuses to admit their own wrongdoing, not that the EU isn't trying.

Not quite. From the article "This makes absolutely no sense: Apple not deploying AI in fact opens them up to competition, because their phones will be less fully featured than they might be otherwise! Vestager should be taking a victory lap, if her position made a shred of sense. "

isodev 2y ago
It's a tiny nuance, but what would really open Apple to competition is allowing 3rd party developers to offer replacement experiences for "Intelligence" and other functions, like the OpenAI integration. The DMA seems vague only if you have bad intentions and want to get away with it. Perfectly fine if you want to do the right thing.
- betaby 2y ago
  All those are half-measures for me. It's either open system like x86 PC or closed like the current iOS/Android. Open for some, in some cases, in EU only, is not helping really.
  - akmarinov 2y ago
    It puts tremendous pressure on the rest of the locales, if the EU ends up working fine. It exposes that there’s no need for Apple to decide what apps you can have on your phone
  - isodev 2y ago
    Before the DMA compliance, Apple was known as supposedly caring about privacy and creating a good and safe user experience. They could have opted to incorporate the spirit of the DMA into their products world-wide (as it aligns well with what they preach). Unfortunately, Apple decided to just show everyone how unlike a regular conglomerate/big corp they really are. So here we are, we have tobacco, big oil and iOS.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > Open for some, in some cases, in EU only, is not helping really. Would you mind explaining how the status quo is better without them? I'm confused.
    - betaby 2y ago
      I think it very obvious. For example EU now forced to open Apple platform for Epic Games. For me that means absolutely nothing. Before: one gated store, now - two gated stores. It doesn't help me running my own python script. N or N+X gated and censored stores change nothing really. It's not a general computing in any sense.
      - talldayo 2y ago
        How is that any worse? It just sounds like you're mad that Apple refuses to admit their own wrongdoing, not that the EU isn't trying.