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Ugh, what a load of garbage. Is paying American salaries for your developers really that expensive? You'd think CEOs wouldn't want to cheap out on the very peop

by 201984 2y ago

Ugh, what a load of garbage. Is paying American salaries for your developers really that expensive? You'd think CEOs wouldn't want to cheap out on the very people that make their business possible. I gotta say, "borderless talent" is a nice spin on "cutting American jobs and sending that money overseas". Wonder if we'll start hearing it more, or if it was coined for this article.

whiplash451 2y ago
So true. Brainless leadership at the wheel.
nextworddev 2y ago
It’s not about cost per se but competitive cost. If your business’s direct completion can ship the same product 3x cheaper then your business is toast holding other things constant
- alephnerd 2y ago
  It isn't about the "financial cost" from a competitive standpoint - it's about scalability. Costs savings are usually around 20-40% of what you would spend in the US, so not that significant in an industry with 80-90% profit margins baked in. The real value comes from being able to scale out and add additional teams to speed up delivery of features. This is the double edged sword of 100% remote work - if you devalue in-person relationships, then there's no reason to value a local talent pool.
  - nextworddev 2y ago
    the future will be some hub and spokes model to address your concern where core infra is on shore but less critical teams and back office is distributed. Btw this has been already been happening but might go from 30% penetration to 80% penetration
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      > where core infra is on shore but less critical teams and back office is distributed Nowadays, even core infra and IP is being developed and PMed abroad depending on the segment of the tech industry you work in. Much of the cybersecurity industry is notable in this regard, and a lot of the newish (2015 and later) startups in Enterprise SaaS have adopted this kind of a model organically by treating all employees globally equally after a fair CoL adjustment Google Pay and Google Drive+Docs are notable product lines that was almost entirely developed by engineering abroad.
VeejayRampay 2y ago
American CEOs do not care about anything but money, they'll hire remote international as soon as the market says it's in their financial interest
thegrim33 2y ago
Someone should be keeping track of all the new and changed phrases/terms to the language in recent years. Yes, languages change over time. But it's been accelerated over the last decade with ideologues intentionally adding to and changing the language on a frequent basis as needed to better support their viewpoints. I use it as a major tell for whether to trust a source or not; if they're using what's effectively actual newspeak, phrases and terms that were invented recently for ideological reasons, I know not to put any trust in them.
chatmasta 2y ago
What about paying American salaries to talent in other countries? A wider talent pool is good for everyone, because in the long term it means the best developers can demand more. Top talent doesn’t negotiate based on their cost of living.

by 201984 2y ago

whiplash451 2y ago

So true. Brainless leadership at the wheel.

nextworddev 2y ago

It’s not about cost per se but competitive cost. If your business’s direct completion can ship the same product 3x cheaper then your business is toast holding other things constant

alephnerd 2y ago
It isn't about the "financial cost" from a competitive standpoint - it's about scalability. Costs savings are usually around 20-40% of what you would spend in the US, so not that significant in an industry with 80-90% profit margins baked in. The real value comes from being able to scale out and add additional teams to speed up delivery of features. This is the double edged sword of 100% remote work - if you devalue in-person relationships, then there's no reason to value a local talent pool.
- nextworddev 2y ago
  the future will be some hub and spokes model to address your concern where core infra is on shore but less critical teams and back office is distributed. Btw this has been already been happening but might go from 30% penetration to 80% penetration
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > where core infra is on shore but less critical teams and back office is distributed Nowadays, even core infra and IP is being developed and PMed abroad depending on the segment of the tech industry you work in. Much of the cybersecurity industry is notable in this regard, and a lot of the newish (2015 and later) startups in Enterprise SaaS have adopted this kind of a model organically by treating all employees globally equally after a fair CoL adjustment Google Pay and Google Drive+Docs are notable product lines that was almost entirely developed by engineering abroad.

VeejayRampay 2y ago

American CEOs do not care about anything but money, they'll hire remote international as soon as the market says it's in their financial interest

thegrim33 2y ago

Someone should be keeping track of all the new and changed phrases/terms to the language in recent years. Yes, languages change over time. But it's been accelerated over the last decade with ideologues intentionally adding to and changing the language on a frequent basis as needed to better support their viewpoints. I use it as a major tell for whether to trust a source or not; if they're using what's effectively actual newspeak, phrases and terms that were invented recently for ideological reasons, I know not to put any trust in them.

chatmasta 2y ago

What about paying American salaries to talent in other countries? A wider talent pool is good for everyone, because in the long term it means the best developers can demand more. Top talent doesn’t negotiate based on their cost of living.