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Good article, but what is the alternative? What can you build today as a software engineer that can have impact? Nothing seems to come close to AI / AI infra, e

by pierre 2y ago

Good article, but what is the alternative? What can you build today as a software engineer that can have impact? Nothing seems to come close to AI / AI infra, even of its hard / risky / a moving landscape.

hnlmorg 2y ago
Everything we build has some kind of impact. At risk of getting philosophical, I’d ask yourself what your goals actually are if you feel only AI can have the impact you desire.
- fhd2 2y ago
  Not sure why this is down voted, that is the key question. Impact means different things to people. Could be: 1. Building a sustainable business and making decent money 2. Building a market leader and making ludicrous amounts of money 3. Advancing the state of the art in technology 4. Helping people with their little daily struggles 5. Solving pressing problems humanity is facing Or many other things I suppose. Now if you believe that AI is eventually going to make anything humans can build now redundant, that'd be a reason to believe nothing else matters in the end I suppose. But even if we get there, there's a lot of road leading to that destination. Any step provides value. Software built today can provide value even if nobody is going to need it ten years from now. And it's not like you could even predict that.
  - mirekrusin 2y ago
    The motive is to get acquired in most cases. It’s obvious and starts to make sense when you see startup that has no feasible monetisation strategy on the horizon, yet they exist and get funding. They’re betting on building infra to be hopefully used in large corp and this is their demo/PoC.
astronautas 2y ago
Data infra?
lionkor 2y ago
A lot of things, if you're okay with not chasing the next hype bubble
mlsu 2y ago
I would almost invert that statement. Sorry if this comes off ranty, but what exactly are people doing in the "AI space" currently that isn't "undifferentiated spam/chatbot" being sold to non-techies who heard about AI on NPR? What are real people using "AI" for that is so insanely valuable today? How much "company Y: same product with a chat window, sparks emoji" do we all need before this thing levels out and we all take a breather on the hype?
- jdross 2y ago
  personally? - writing and refactoring code. probably 50 times a day now - improving documentation across the company - summarizing meetings automatically with follow ups - drafting most legal work before a lawyer edits (saved 70% on legal bills) - entity extraction and data cleanup for my users
  - mlsu 2y ago
    Put a number on it. How much value of this will they capture from you personally (we'll assume, very very charitably by the sound of it, that you represent an "average" user of AI products) when this market matures? Exactly how much will your employer pay for a meeting summarizer? $10/mo a seat, $20/mo a seat, $50/mo a seat? Could the product sustain a 5x, 10x, 50x price hike that is going to have to happen to recoup the investment being made today?
    - fhd2 2y ago
      Agreed. Even if right now this seems like stuff companies want to throw money at for novelty/FOMO related reasons, I think eventually reality ought to catch up. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the most efficient companies of the future will tackle the ironies of automation effectively: Carefully designing semi automation that keeps humans in the loop in a way that maximises their value - as opposed to just being bored rubber stamping the automation without really paying attention.
      - per1Peteia 2y ago
ianpurton 2y ago
It's fine to be in AI. My takeaway from the article is instead of being a Gen AI startup be a Gen AI startup for a specific use case.
oivey 2y ago
Slightly different take than some of the siblings: you can still just build this stuff. If your goal is impact, maybe the best place to do it will be at a cloud vendor or other big corp. If your goal is actually just a big VC exit, then maybe not. If your product is something that can be ripped off in 3 months, then it probably wasn’t going to have a long term impact anyway.
ehnto 2y ago
All the same stuff, to be honest. If AI is set to replace human work, well we have had a cheap human labour market for decades and yet we still need software. An LLM can't replace a business itself, which is made up of niche processes, direction and purpose, which we sometimes codify into a SaaS. We'll still need to do all that even if AI replaces some of the human parts of the business.
jononor 2y ago
Anything SaaS that solves a painpoints for established industries. Those that have billions of turnaround for decades already, are not good at building tech themselves, and buy solutions/services to run their business. Bonus for low barriers to entry. Agriculture, logistics, real estate, energy, etc.
- swalsh 2y ago
  I have a theory that the days of established businesses that don't know tech is dwindling. A lot of companies which has adopted tech has started building a small foundation of talent internally. I think you're seeing this trend accelerate with the large tech companies laying people off. I have heard about top grade data science talent landing at some small sized health plan. My companies fastest growing competitor is "internally sourced departments" of the services we provide.
  - nextworddev 2y ago
    You confirm my observation as well. Even motel chains have developers building internal tools these days
  - jononor 2y ago
    Yes computer savvyness is on the rise, and have been for decades, and this will continue. But there are many levels: Ability to be a competent user, and competent buyer, ability to build it themselves. Then there are big difference in buy vs build culture. And preferences for type of solutions that are default buy vs default build. And finally, smaller and medium sized organizations are less likely to have internal teams. All this should be analyzed for the specific market, product and customer segment one targets.
rsynnott 2y ago
Define ‘impact’. Does ‘impact’ here mean ‘tickles the fancy of a 2024-era VC’? If so, you may be right. If used in its common meaning, absolutely not; most of this stuff is ~useless.
_el1s7 2y ago
If you don't know what to build, you don't build.
notamy 2y ago
> What can you build today as a software engineer that can have impact? Quite a bit, if you don’t follow the standard tech hype. Find an industry that isn’t tech-first and you’ll notice that there’s a lot of room for improvement.

by pierre 2y ago

hnlmorg 2y ago

Everything we build has some kind of impact. At risk of getting philosophical, I’d ask yourself what your goals actually are if you feel only AI can have the impact you desire.

fhd2 2y ago
Not sure why this is down voted, that is the key question. Impact means different things to people. Could be: 1. Building a sustainable business and making decent money 2. Building a market leader and making ludicrous amounts of money 3. Advancing the state of the art in technology 4. Helping people with their little daily struggles 5. Solving pressing problems humanity is facing Or many other things I suppose. Now if you believe that AI is eventually going to make anything humans can build now redundant, that'd be a reason to believe nothing else matters in the end I suppose. But even if we get there, there's a lot of road leading to that destination. Any step provides value. Software built today can provide value even if nobody is going to need it ten years from now. And it's not like you could even predict that.
- mirekrusin 2y ago
  The motive is to get acquired in most cases. It’s obvious and starts to make sense when you see startup that has no feasible monetisation strategy on the horizon, yet they exist and get funding. They’re betting on building infra to be hopefully used in large corp and this is their demo/PoC.

astronautas 2y ago

Data infra?

lionkor 2y ago

A lot of things, if you're okay with not chasing the next hype bubble

mlsu 2y ago

I would almost invert that statement. Sorry if this comes off ranty, but what exactly are people doing in the "AI space" currently that isn't "undifferentiated spam/chatbot" being sold to non-techies who heard about AI on NPR? What are real people using "AI" for that is so insanely valuable today? How much "company Y: same product with a chat window, sparks emoji" do we all need before this thing levels out and we all take a breather on the hype?

jdross 2y ago
personally? - writing and refactoring code. probably 50 times a day now - improving documentation across the company - summarizing meetings automatically with follow ups - drafting most legal work before a lawyer edits (saved 70% on legal bills) - entity extraction and data cleanup for my users
- mlsu 2y ago
  Put a number on it. How much value of this will they capture from you personally (we'll assume, very very charitably by the sound of it, that you represent an "average" user of AI products) when this market matures? Exactly how much will your employer pay for a meeting summarizer? $10/mo a seat, $20/mo a seat, $50/mo a seat? Could the product sustain a 5x, 10x, 50x price hike that is going to have to happen to recoup the investment being made today?
  - fhd2 2y ago
    Agreed. Even if right now this seems like stuff companies want to throw money at for novelty/FOMO related reasons, I think eventually reality ought to catch up. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the most efficient companies of the future will tackle the ironies of automation effectively: Carefully designing semi automation that keeps humans in the loop in a way that maximises their value - as opposed to just being bored rubber stamping the automation without really paying attention.
    - per1Peteia 2y ago

ianpurton 2y ago

It's fine to be in AI. My takeaway from the article is instead of being a Gen AI startup be a Gen AI startup for a specific use case.

oivey 2y ago

Slightly different take than some of the siblings: you can still just build this stuff. If your goal is impact, maybe the best place to do it will be at a cloud vendor or other big corp. If your goal is actually just a big VC exit, then maybe not. If your product is something that can be ripped off in 3 months, then it probably wasn’t going to have a long term impact anyway.

ehnto 2y ago

All the same stuff, to be honest. If AI is set to replace human work, well we have had a cheap human labour market for decades and yet we still need software. An LLM can't replace a business itself, which is made up of niche processes, direction and purpose, which we sometimes codify into a SaaS. We'll still need to do all that even if AI replaces some of the human parts of the business.

jononor 2y ago

Anything SaaS that solves a painpoints for established industries. Those that have billions of turnaround for decades already, are not good at building tech themselves, and buy solutions/services to run their business. Bonus for low barriers to entry. Agriculture, logistics, real estate, energy, etc.

swalsh 2y ago
I have a theory that the days of established businesses that don't know tech is dwindling. A lot of companies which has adopted tech has started building a small foundation of talent internally. I think you're seeing this trend accelerate with the large tech companies laying people off. I have heard about top grade data science talent landing at some small sized health plan. My companies fastest growing competitor is "internally sourced departments" of the services we provide.
- nextworddev 2y ago
  You confirm my observation as well. Even motel chains have developers building internal tools these days
- jononor 2y ago
  Yes computer savvyness is on the rise, and have been for decades, and this will continue. But there are many levels: Ability to be a competent user, and competent buyer, ability to build it themselves. Then there are big difference in buy vs build culture. And preferences for type of solutions that are default buy vs default build. And finally, smaller and medium sized organizations are less likely to have internal teams. All this should be analyzed for the specific market, product and customer segment one targets.

rsynnott 2y ago

Define ‘impact’. Does ‘impact’ here mean ‘tickles the fancy of a 2024-era VC’? If so, you may be right. If used in its common meaning, absolutely not; most of this stuff is ~useless.

_el1s7 2y ago

If you don't know what to build, you don't build.

notamy 2y ago

> What can you build today as a software engineer that can have impact? Quite a bit, if you don’t follow the standard tech hype. Find an industry that isn’t tech-first and you’ll notice that there’s a lot of room for improvement.