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The West censors politics too, to be fair. Anyone can be "cancelled" for a political opinion, get fired, or face other ramifications. Many people were "ghost ba

The West censors politics too, to be fair. Anyone can be "cancelled" for a political opinion, get fired, or face other ramifications. Many people were "ghost banned" or banned during the COVID-19 craziness, and some were even fired. Julian Assange is another well-known example of a political prisoner. Many people on Hacker News or LinkedIn refrain from engaging in politics because they fear getting fired, judged, isolated, or even prosecuted. Thus, each country has its own "nerve" that no one can talk about.

christianqchung 2y ago
Engaging in politics on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic, sorry.
- tamimio 2y ago
  I agree more with this edit >Engaging on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic
lelandbatey 2y ago
Censorship is different from social mores. Every group of people has "typical behaviors considered permissable", codified or not. No avoiding that. Censorship is not that.
- LAC-Tech 2y ago
  But again, there's plenty of actual censorship in the west. Maybe not the United States, but the UK, Canada, Australia, Germany... all definitely have it, with documented cases.
  - simianparrot 2y ago
    Twitter files revealed direct censorship recently
  - exe34 2y ago
    censorship where people tell you to f*ck off because they don't want to hang out with you and censorship where the government, with the monopoly of violence, takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour are very different things.
    - kelipso 2y ago
      Sensing a motte and bailey here where supposedly China takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour for posting online, and when you look into it, it's more like your post gets deleted and maybe your account gets banned.
      - exe34 2y ago
        now do it in Russia. or be Uighur in China. or maybe talk about Tienanmen?
        kelipso 2y ago
        Why, so you can make more shit up? Lol
        exe34 2y ago
        Sorry, my bad. I thought you were arguing in good faith.
        kelipso 2y ago
        It's very clear you are not.
        exe34 2y ago
        only to you, it seems
        LAC-Tech 2y ago
        I thought a fun site might be "UK or Russia", where I mention people getting arrested for things, and people try and figure out if it's the UK or Russia. People would absolutely struggle, in both countries people are arrested for similar actions - though Russian sentences seem to be harsher. EG, a quick search finds me a story where someone was arrested for destroying a bible and someone else was arrested for destroying a quran. One in Russia, one in the UK. "A man from [Redacted] has been released on bail after allegedly posting on social media a video that ends with him burning a copy of the Qu'ran." "Three teenagers from the [Redacted] have been detained after they filmed themselves burning the Bible on a charcoal grill."
LAC-Tech 2y ago
I mean the west in a big place, but if you take somewhere like the UK there's a wealth of examples for people getting arrested for political opinions. IE it's not just "informal", but "formal" as well.
- morbicer 2y ago
  Can you provide some example please? All I could found is this and this is no way "political opinion" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-man-jailed-over-facebook-status-raises-questions-over-free-speech/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-man-jailed-over-facebook-sta...
  - LAC-Tech 2y ago
    Count Dankula https://news.sky.com/story/essex-pub-that-had-golliwog-dolls-seized-by-police-shuts-its-doors-12872315 https://news.sky.com/story/essex-pub-that-had-golliwog-dolls... UK pub raided by police to seize offensive dolls https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/02/met-police-officers-jailed-for-texts-in-whatsapp-group-with-wayne-couzens-17686774/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/02/met-police-officers-jailed-fo... UK police arrested for offensive jokes in whatsapp group chat https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-03-01/man-jailed-over-racist-stickers https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-03-01/man-jailed-over... UK man arrested for offensive stickers
    - morbicer 2y ago
      First link says > No one has been arrested or charged and you were claiming arrest Second link: Police officers joking about raping, again no arrest for political opinion Third link: racist and antisemitic stickers. Again, nothing political. Well if your idea of politics is blind hate then the discussion from my side is over. You might say UK has censorship and no absolute free speech. That's true, but this is still miles away from prosecuting political opinions. I am not from UK but I am perfectly comfortable with prosecuting rape threats and hate.
      - LAC-Tech 2y ago
tw04 2y ago
Which part of that is government censorship? Society deciding they don’t want to hear what you have to say isn’t censorship.
- sunaookami 2y ago
  First, it compells governments to censor speech. Look at the EU where "hate speech" laws and laws against "disinformation" were introduced and the ongoing battle with chat control. Second, you can't deny the impact being banned from using any monopolistic sites like Facebook, YouTube, Google. Banning everyone from there when you don't agree with them leads to massive echo chambers. And is it really "society" that "decides" and not just a vocal minority with the right connections to the press?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > it compells governments to censor speech. Look at the EU where "hate speech" laws and laws against "disinformation" were introduced and the ongoing battle with chat control This is a weird point on which to fault the EU in respect of China.
    - lmz 2y ago
      It's not faulting it, just showing that it is no better in that regard.
      - tw04 2y ago
        Attempting to stop hate speech is no better than jailing citizens for speaking negatively about the current ruling government? I'm going to have to go with a hard disagree on that one. And no, "but it could be because XYZ" doesn't really fly. Any law "could be" unjust, unless you have specific examples of hate speech laws in Western Europe that are labeled as protecting against hate speech but are actually being used for nothing more than jailing political rivals, they're not the same.
  - latexr 2y ago
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christianqchung 2y ago

Engaging in politics on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic, sorry.

tamimio 2y ago
I agree more with this edit >Engaging on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic

lelandbatey 2y ago

Censorship is different from social mores. Every group of people has "typical behaviors considered permissable", codified or not. No avoiding that. Censorship is not that.

LAC-Tech 2y ago
But again, there's plenty of actual censorship in the west. Maybe not the United States, but the UK, Canada, Australia, Germany... all definitely have it, with documented cases.
- simianparrot 2y ago
  Twitter files revealed direct censorship recently
- exe34 2y ago
  censorship where people tell you to f*ck off because they don't want to hang out with you and censorship where the government, with the monopoly of violence, takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour are very different things.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    Sensing a motte and bailey here where supposedly China takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour for posting online, and when you look into it, it's more like your post gets deleted and maybe your account gets banned.
    - exe34 2y ago
      now do it in Russia. or be Uighur in China. or maybe talk about Tienanmen?
      - kelipso 2y ago
        Why, so you can make more shit up? Lol
        exe34 2y ago
        Sorry, my bad. I thought you were arguing in good faith.
        kelipso 2y ago
        It's very clear you are not.
        exe34 2y ago
        only to you, it seems
      - LAC-Tech 2y ago
        I thought a fun site might be "UK or Russia", where I mention people getting arrested for things, and people try and figure out if it's the UK or Russia. People would absolutely struggle, in both countries people are arrested for similar actions - though Russian sentences seem to be harsher. EG, a quick search finds me a story where someone was arrested for destroying a bible and someone else was arrested for destroying a quran. One in Russia, one in the UK. "A man from [Redacted] has been released on bail after allegedly posting on social media a video that ends with him burning a copy of the Qu'ran." "Three teenagers from the [Redacted] have been detained after they filmed themselves burning the Bible on a charcoal grill."

LAC-Tech 2y ago

I mean the west in a big place, but if you take somewhere like the UK there's a wealth of examples for people getting arrested for political opinions. IE it's not just "informal", but "formal" as well.

morbicer 2y ago
Can you provide some example please? All I could found is this and this is no way "political opinion" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-man-jailed-over-facebook-status-raises-questions-over-free-speech/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-man-jailed-over-facebook-sta...
- LAC-Tech 2y ago
  Count Dankula https://news.sky.com/story/essex-pub-that-had-golliwog-dolls-seized-by-police-shuts-its-doors-12872315 https://news.sky.com/story/essex-pub-that-had-golliwog-dolls... UK pub raided by police to seize offensive dolls https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/02/met-police-officers-jailed-for-texts-in-whatsapp-group-with-wayne-couzens-17686774/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/02/met-police-officers-jailed-fo... UK police arrested for offensive jokes in whatsapp group chat https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-03-01/man-jailed-over-racist-stickers https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-03-01/man-jailed-over... UK man arrested for offensive stickers
  - morbicer 2y ago
    First link says > No one has been arrested or charged and you were claiming arrest Second link: Police officers joking about raping, again no arrest for political opinion Third link: racist and antisemitic stickers. Again, nothing political. Well if your idea of politics is blind hate then the discussion from my side is over. You might say UK has censorship and no absolute free speech. That's true, but this is still miles away from prosecuting political opinions. I am not from UK but I am perfectly comfortable with prosecuting rape threats and hate.
    - LAC-Tech 2y ago

tw04 2y ago

Which part of that is government censorship? Society deciding they don’t want to hear what you have to say isn’t censorship.

sunaookami 2y ago
First, it compells governments to censor speech. Look at the EU where "hate speech" laws and laws against "disinformation" were introduced and the ongoing battle with chat control. Second, you can't deny the impact being banned from using any monopolistic sites like Facebook, YouTube, Google. Banning everyone from there when you don't agree with them leads to massive echo chambers. And is it really "society" that "decides" and not just a vocal minority with the right connections to the press?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > it compells governments to censor speech. Look at the EU where "hate speech" laws and laws against "disinformation" were introduced and the ongoing battle with chat control This is a weird point on which to fault the EU in respect of China.
  - lmz 2y ago
    It's not faulting it, just showing that it is no better in that regard.
    - tw04 2y ago
      Attempting to stop hate speech is no better than jailing citizens for speaking negatively about the current ruling government? I'm going to have to go with a hard disagree on that one. And no, "but it could be because XYZ" doesn't really fly. Any law "could be" unjust, unless you have specific examples of hate speech laws in Western Europe that are labeled as protecting against hate speech but are actually being used for nothing more than jailing political rivals, they're not the same.
- latexr 2y ago

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