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>China censors politics. The West censors intellectual property. How does the West "censor Intellectual Property"?
by tw04 2y ago
>China censors politics. The West censors intellectual property.
How does the West "censor Intellectual Property"?
- mistrial9 2y agoChina officially does not care about declarations of Intellectual Property from the West (ianal); by extension, they do not censor it. In the US and Commonwealth countries and the EU etc.. copyright material in publications, in various flavors, are behind a paywall in some circumstances.. Elsivier Science publications, for example.. others.. so by extension the prohibition on reproduction and copying is "censorship"
- kibwen 2y agoY'all, I'm as against our boneheaded copyright regime as anyone, but that ain't what the word "censorship" means.
- xtracto 2y agoI'll say a "state granted monopoly" on distribution is pretty close to censorship. People are not Libres to distribute or use some bunch of text because the judicial arm of the government will prosecute them.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> China officially does not care about declarations of Intellectual Property from the West Cool. Now try appropriating a Standing Committee member’s intellectual property.
- tamimio 2y agoThe West censors politics too, to be fair. Anyone can be "cancelled" for a political opinion, get fired, or face other ramifications. Many people were "ghost banned" or banned during the COVID-19 craziness, and some were even fired. Julian Assange is another well-known example of a political prisoner. Many people on Hacker News or LinkedIn refrain from engaging in politics because they fear getting fired, judged, isolated, or even prosecuted. Thus, each country has its own "nerve" that no one can talk about.
- christianqchung 2y agoEngaging in politics on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic, sorry.
- tamimio 2y agoI agree more with this edit >Engaging on LinkedIn is kind of psychotic
- lelandbatey 2y agoCensorship is different from social mores. Every group of people has "typical behaviors considered permissable", codified or not. No avoiding that. Censorship is not that.
- LAC-Tech 2y agoBut again, there's plenty of actual censorship in the west. Maybe not the United States, but the UK, Canada, Australia, Germany... all definitely have it, with documented cases.
- simianparrot 2y agoTwitter files revealed direct censorship recently
- exe34 2y agocensorship where people tell you to f*ck off because they don't want to hang out with you and censorship where the government, with the monopoly of violence, takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour are very different things.
- kelipso 2y agoSensing a motte and bailey here where supposedly China takes you and/or your family away for torture or hard labour for posting online, and when you look into it, it's more like your post gets deleted and maybe your account gets banned.
- AlexandrB 2y agoI don't know if I'd call it censorship, but unlike real property IP effectively requires restrictions on what speech every other member of society can engage in to give the IP owner a monopoly on that speech.
- janalsncm 2y agoIn the context of LLMs, I’m talking about refusals. Ask chatGPT to draw Micky Mouse. What happens? Intellectual property rights kick in and you can’t see it. As a Chinese chatbot what happened June 3, 1989 in Tiananmen Square and you will also get some kind of refusal. Some kind of principle of social stability has kicked in. I’m really just making a trite observation about the way LLMs reflect our laws/values.
- vmfunction 2y ago> Some kind of principle of social stability has kicked in. Same goes in finance. For example, SIFI (Systemically important financial institution) are exempt from regulation and even bankruptcy. It is human nature to mange/avoid risk, and the system will always want to maintain itself. It is kind pointless point finger to say oh this company/nation/regime censor this. Everyone does it in their own ways.