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Unless I missed something, there's no clarity in the article about whether or not Waymo eventually got issued a citation. But I also couldn't watch the full vid

Unless I missed something, there's no clarity in the article about whether or not Waymo eventually got issued a citation. But I also couldn't watch the full video without being bombarded by ads and audio that started running headless in the background.

klyrs 2y ago
Reader mode for the win. The article mentions that the traffic cop was unable to cite the robot.
- polotics 2y ago
  So basically if you made a mistake while driving, quickly switch to the passenger seat and let your computer-assisted imaginary friend not get a citation or fine? Good to know!
  - tanseydavid 2y ago
    Sure, as long you happen to be driving your $200,000 Jaguar loaded with sensors that day.
  - FateOfNations 2y ago
    I wouldn't be so quick to do that. A potentially defective self-driving vehicle is a more serious matter since it could affect many cars and will likely attract much more scrutiny and further investigation… which, in this scenario, would quickly reveal that the vehicle was under manual control at the time of the incident. Now, you have a traffic ticket and a criminal obstruction of justice charge.
- dekhn 2y ago
  "UNABLE TO ISSUE CITATION TO COMPUTER" is going to be one of my go-to phrases henceforth.
FateOfNations 2y ago
No, it didn't get a citation. When humans break traffic laws, it's often because they decide to break the law or do not take appropriate care to ensure that the law is followed. As a result, the process focuses on personal responsibility and accountability for the driver's actions. That framework doesn't map onto self-driving vehicles; we probably shouldn't be trying to force it to fit. Treating a self-driving vehicle that violates traffic laws as a defective product is a better way to frame the issue. I'd compare it to a situation where a car runs a red light: it could be because the driver wasn't paying attention, or it could have been because the brakes failed and couldn't stop. The breaks could have failed because they weren't properly maintained or because of a flaw in the design. Who is responsible and what appropriate accountability looks like depends on the details. If the driver wasn't paying attention, they should get a citation for violating traffic laws. The operator/owner (the registered owner) should get a citation if the breaks aren't reasonably maintained. If there is a design flaw, a regulatory agency should address the issue with the manufacturer to ensure that the problem is corrected. If the manufacturer was reckless with its design or manufacturing practices, it and/or its employees should be held accountable for those choices.

klyrs 2y ago

Reader mode for the win. The article mentions that the traffic cop was unable to cite the robot.

polotics 2y ago
So basically if you made a mistake while driving, quickly switch to the passenger seat and let your computer-assisted imaginary friend not get a citation or fine? Good to know!
- tanseydavid 2y ago
  Sure, as long you happen to be driving your $200,000 Jaguar loaded with sensors that day.
- FateOfNations 2y ago
  I wouldn't be so quick to do that. A potentially defective self-driving vehicle is a more serious matter since it could affect many cars and will likely attract much more scrutiny and further investigation… which, in this scenario, would quickly reveal that the vehicle was under manual control at the time of the incident. Now, you have a traffic ticket and a criminal obstruction of justice charge.
dekhn 2y ago
"UNABLE TO ISSUE CITATION TO COMPUTER" is going to be one of my go-to phrases henceforth.

FateOfNations 2y ago

No, it didn't get a citation. When humans break traffic laws, it's often because they decide to break the law or do not take appropriate care to ensure that the law is followed. As a result, the process focuses on personal responsibility and accountability for the driver's actions. That framework doesn't map onto self-driving vehicles; we probably shouldn't be trying to force it to fit. Treating a self-driving vehicle that violates traffic laws as a defective product is a better way to frame the issue. I'd compare it to a situation where a car runs a red light: it could be because the driver wasn't paying attention, or it could have been because the brakes failed and couldn't stop. The breaks could have failed because they weren't properly maintained or because of a flaw in the design. Who is responsible and what appropriate accountability looks like depends on the details. If the driver wasn't paying attention, they should get a citation for violating traffic laws. The operator/owner (the registered owner) should get a citation if the breaks aren't reasonably maintained. If there is a design flaw, a regulatory agency should address the issue with the manufacturer to ensure that the problem is corrected. If the manufacturer was reckless with its design or manufacturing practices, it and/or its employees should be held accountable for those choices.